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Mon, 7 Oct 2024 06:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vm-mail (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id c5df5175 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Mon, 7 Oct 2024 10:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 12:17:51 +0200 From: Patrick Steinhardt To: Eric Sunshine Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Eli Schwartz Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 01/21] Documentation: add comparison of build systems Message-ID: References: <508e3783d284fd2d3bd4840907ed0bdc20bc1b23.1727881164.git.ps@pks.im> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: On Wed, Oct 02, 2024 at 04:24:10PM -0400, Eric Sunshine wrote: > On Wed, Oct 2, 2024 at 11:16 AM Patrick Steinhardt wrote: > > We're contemplating whether to eventually replace our build systems with > > a build system that is easier to use. Add a comparison of build systems > > to our technical documentation as a baseline for discussion. > > > > Signed-off-by: Patrick Steinhardt > > --- > > +=== Rust support > > + > > +Many long-time Git contributors are nowadays in favor of adopting Rust as a > > +second language next to C. The build system SHOULD thus support Rust such that > > +we do not have to reopen the discussion once we decide to pick up Rust. > > I've been watching the Rust discussion mostly from the sidelines, so > it's possible that I've missed something, but I was more than a little > surprised to see the claim that "Many long-time Git contributors [are] > in favor of adopting Rust" since my impression of the discussions does > not reflect that claim, nor could I find sufficient references to > support such a strong statement. My understanding of the situation is > rather different; I've seen both proponents and opponents. With > regards to project regulars... I felt that during the Git Contributor's summit the room was in favor of adopting Rust in general. The discussion seemed to rather revolve around _how_ we start to adopt it, not _if_ we do so. I also cannot really remember anybody pushing back on adopting Rust. In any case, I'm happy to tone this down a bit, as the document is not here to make the case for Rust. I think that it is very likely that we will eventually start to adopt Rust, and because of that I tend to think that we should be prepared for such a future instead of having to reevaluate our build system because it cannot handle such a potential future. [snip] > * At least one well-established contributor has stated[4] that "Rust > scares" him. (Possibly this was said somewhat in jest, but I suspect > the feeling may be shared by more than a few long-time Git > contributors who see Rust as an overly complex, complicated, and > convoluted language but who haven't spoken up because they understand > that the programming world in general is moving toward more modern > languages such as Rust and Go.) Well, that was me :) I _am_ scared of the learning curve of Rust, but I also think that it puts enough on the table to be a worthwhile addition. So it was said half-jokingly. Patrick