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From: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
To: Eli Schwartz <eschwartz@gentoo.org>
Cc: Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>,
	Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>,
	Ezekiel Newren <ezekielnewren@gmail.com>,
	Edward Thomson <ethomson@edwardthomson.com>,
	"brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] RFC: Accelerate xdiff and begin its rustification
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 16:24:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aH-fDEX7gdpALJ6w@pks.im> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <79c1b3ab-af2e-4c93-b033-349221d82ad9@gentoo.org>

On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 05:25:01PM -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> On 7/18/25 9:34 AM, Phillip Wood wrote:
> > Hi Ezekiel
> > 
> > Thanks for working on this
> > 
> > On 17/07/2025 21:32, Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget wrote:
> >
> >> So...
> >>
> >> This obviously raises the question of whether we are ready to accept a
> >> hard
> >> dependency on Rust. Previous discussions on the mailing list and at Git
> >> Merge 2024 have not answered that question. If not now, will we be
> >> willing
> >> to accept such a hard dependency later? And what route do we want to
> >> take to
> >> get there?
> > 
> > As far as git goes I think introducing a hard dependency on rust is
> > fine. It is widely supported, the only issue I'm aware of is the lack of
> > support on NonStop and I don't think it is reasonable for such a
> > minority platform to hold the rest of the project to ransom. There is a
> > question about the other users of the xdiff code though. libgit2 carries
> > a copy as do other projects like neovim. I've cc'd the libgit2
> > maintainer and posted a link to this thread in neovim github [1]
> 
> 
> A hard dependency on rust for Gentoo amd64 would potentially require
> building https://github.com/thepowersgang/mrustc followed by building 13
> and counting versions of rustc in order to get to the latest version.
> What is the minimum supported version in this series, by the way?
> 
> bin packages for rust do exist but not everyone wants to use non-distro
> provided binaries, sometimes for auditability reasons.
> 
> 
> For Gentoo HPPA, Alpha, m68k it will simply mean the removal (or end of
> life and staying forever on 2.50, perhaps) of Git. There is no rust
> compiler there.
> 
> Even s390 support for rust is limited to a precompiled version not
> everyone is willing to use.
> 
> GCC-rs will probably fix this general issue.

Hm. It would be nice to assemble a list of common or semi-common
distributions that do not have proper support for Rust for all or at
least some platforms. Should we maybe consider reaching out to other
distros (e.g. Debian, Fedora, BSDs) before we commit to any change that
has an outsized impact on the larger ecosystem?

I would really love to start adopting Rust, and if it's only going to be
architectures that are extremely niche I'm probably fine with that. But
if there are many small systems that are impacted by such a change we
might have to reconsider.

Meh :/

Patrick

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-07-22 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 205+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-17 20:32 [PATCH 0/7] RFC: Accelerate xdiff and begin its rustification Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 1/7] xdiff: introduce rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 21:30   ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-17 21:54     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-17 22:39     ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18 23:15     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-23 21:57       ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-23 22:26         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-28 19:11         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-31 22:37           ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-22 22:02     ` Mike Hommey
2025-07-22 23:52       ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-17 22:38   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 2/7] xdiff/xprepare: remove superfluous forward declarations Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 22:41   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 3/7] xdiff: delete unnecessary fields from xrecord_t and xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 4/7] xdiff: make fields of xrecord_t Rust friendly Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 22:46   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-17 23:13     ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-17 23:37       ` Elijah Newren
2025-07-18  0:23         ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18  0:21       ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18 13:35   ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-28 19:34     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-28 19:52       ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-28 20:14         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-31 14:20           ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-31 20:58             ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-01  9:14               ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-28 20:53         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-28 20:00       ` Collin Funk
2025-07-20  1:39   ` Johannes Schindelin
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 5/7] xdiff: separate parsing lines from hashing them Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 22:59   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18 13:34   ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 6/7] xdiff: conditionally use Rust's implementation of xxhash Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 23:29   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18 19:00   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-31 21:13     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-02  7:53       ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-07-19 21:53   ` Johannes Schindelin
2025-07-20 10:14     ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-23  9:57       ` gitoxide-compatible licensing of Git's Rust code, was " Johannes Schindelin
2025-09-23 17:48         ` Jeff King
2025-09-24 13:48           ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-25  2:25             ` Jeff King
2025-09-25  5:42               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-26 10:06               ` Phillip Wood
2025-10-03  3:18                 ` Jeff King
2025-10-03  9:51                   ` Phillip Wood
2025-10-07  9:11                     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-05  5:32       ` Yee Cheng Chin
2025-07-17 20:32 ` [PATCH 7/7] github_workflows: install rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-07-17 21:23   ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-18 23:01     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-25 23:56       ` Ben Knoble
2025-07-19 21:54   ` Johannes Schindelin
2025-07-17 21:51 ` [PATCH 0/7] RFC: Accelerate xdiff and begin its rustification brian m. carlson
2025-07-17 22:25   ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-18  0:29     ` brian m. carlson
2025-07-22 12:21       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-22 15:56         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-22 16:03     ` Sam James
2025-07-22 21:37       ` Elijah Newren
2025-07-22 21:55         ` Sam James
2025-07-22 22:08           ` Collin Funk
2025-07-18  9:23 ` Christian Brabandt
2025-07-18 16:26   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-19  0:32     ` Elijah Newren
2025-07-18 13:34 ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-18 21:25   ` Eli Schwartz
2025-07-19  0:48     ` Haelwenn (lanodan) Monnier
2025-07-22 12:21       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-22 14:24     ` Patrick Steinhardt [this message]
2025-07-22 15:14       ` Eli Schwartz
2025-07-22 15:56       ` Sam James
2025-07-23  4:32         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-24  9:01           ` Pierre-Emmanuel Patry
2025-07-24 10:00             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-28  9:06               ` Pierre-Emmanuel Patry
2025-07-18 14:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-18 21:56   ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-07-21 10:14   ` Phillip Wood
2025-07-21 18:33     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-19 21:53 ` Johannes Schindelin
2025-07-20  8:45   ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-08-15  1:22 ` [PATCH v2 00/17] " Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 01/17] doc: add a policy for using Rust brian m. carlson via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15 17:03     ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-08-15 21:31       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-16  8:06         ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-08-19  2:06       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 02/17] xdiff: introduce rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 03/17] xdiff/xprepare: remove superfluous forward declarations Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 04/17] xdiff: delete unnecessary fields from xrecord_t and xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 05/17] xdiff: make fields of xrecord_t Rust friendly Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 06/17] xdiff: separate parsing lines from hashing them Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 07/17] xdiff: conditionally use Rust's implementation of xxhash Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 08/17] github workflows: install rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 09/17] Do support Windows again after requiring Rust Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15 17:12     ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-08-15 21:48       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-15 22:11         ` Johannes Schindelin
2025-08-15 23:37           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-15 23:37         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-16  8:53         ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-08-17 15:57           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-19  2:22       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 10/17] win+Meson: allow for xdiff to be compiled with MSVC Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 11/17] win+Meson: do allow linking with the Rust-built xdiff Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 12/17] github workflows: define rust versions and targets in the same place Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 13/17] github workflows: upload Cargo.lock Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 14/17] xdiff: implement a white space iterator in Rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 15/17] xdiff: create line_hash() and line_equal() Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 16/17] xdiff: optimize case where --ignore-cr-at-eol is the only whitespace flag Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15  1:22   ` [PATCH v2 17/17] xdiff: use rust's version of whitespace processing Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15 15:07   ` [-SPAM-] [PATCH v2 00/17] RFC: Accelerate xdiff and begin its rustification Ramsay Jones
2025-08-19  2:00     ` Elijah Newren
2025-08-24 16:52       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-18 22:31   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-18 23:52     ` Ben Knoble
2025-08-19  1:52     ` Elijah Newren
2025-08-19  9:47       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-23  3:55   ` [PATCH v3 00/15] RFC: Cleanup " Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 01/15] doc: add a policy for using Rust brian m. carlson via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 02/15] xdiff: introduce rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23 13:43       ` rsbecker
2025-08-23 14:26         ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-08-23 15:06           ` rsbecker
2025-08-23 18:30             ` Elijah Newren
2025-08-23 19:24               ` brian m. carlson
2025-08-23 20:04                 ` rsbecker
2025-08-23 20:36                 ` Sam James
2025-08-23 21:17                 ` Haelwenn (lanodan) Monnier
2025-08-27  1:57               ` Taylor Blau
2025-08-27 14:39                 ` rsbecker
2025-08-27 17:06                   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-27 17:15                     ` rsbecker
2025-08-27 20:12                     ` Taylor Blau
2025-08-27 20:22                       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-02 11:16                         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-02 11:30                           ` Sam James
2025-09-02 17:27                           ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-02 18:47                             ` Sam James
2025-09-03 18:22                               ` Collin Funk
2025-09-03  5:40                             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-03 16:22                               ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-03 22:10                               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-03 22:48                                 ` Josh Steadmon
2025-09-04 11:10                                 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 15:45                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05  8:23                                     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04  0:57                               ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-04 11:39                                 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 13:53                                   ` Sam James
2025-09-05  3:55                                     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-04 23:17                                   ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-05  3:54                                   ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-05  6:50                                     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:10                                       ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-07 16:09                                         ` rsbecker
2025-09-08 10:12                                           ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-08 15:32                                             ` rsbecker
2025-09-08 15:10                                           ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-08 15:41                                             ` rsbecker
2025-09-08 15:31                                           ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08 15:36                                             ` rsbecker
2025-09-08 16:13                                               ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08 17:01                                                 ` rsbecker
2025-09-08  6:40                                         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 10:31                                     ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 11:32                                       ` Sam James
2025-09-05 13:14                                       ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 13:23                                         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 15:37                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:40                                           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-23 14:29         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 03/15] github workflows: install rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 04/15] win+Meson: do allow linking with the Rust-built xdiff Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 05/15] github workflows: upload Cargo.lock Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 06/15] ivec: create a vector type that is interoperable between C and Rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  8:12       ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-08-23  9:29         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-23 16:14       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-23 16:37         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-23 18:05       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-23 20:29         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-25 19:16         ` Elijah Newren
2025-08-26  5:40           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-24 13:31       ` Ben Knoble
2025-08-25 20:40         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-26 13:30           ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-08-26 18:47             ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-08-26 22:01               ` brian m. carlson
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 07/15] xdiff/xprepare: remove superfluous forward declarations Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 08/15] xdiff: delete unnecessary fields from xrecord_t and xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 09/15] xdiff: make fields of xrecord_t Rust friendly Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 10/15] xdiff: use one definition for freeing xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 11/15] xdiff: replace chastore with an ivec in xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 12/15] xdiff: delete nrec field from xdfile_t Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 13/15] xdiff: delete recs " Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 14/15] xdiff: make xdfile_t more rust friendly Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  3:55     ` [PATCH v3 15/15] xdiff: implement xdl_trim_ends() in Rust Ezekiel Newren via GitGitGadget
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-07-25 23:53 [PATCH 0/7] RFC: Accelerate xdiff and begin its rustification Ben Knoble
2025-07-25 23:53 Ben Knoble

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