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From: Oswald Buddenhagen <oswald.buddenhagen@gmx.de>
To: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
Cc: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/9] commit-graph: stop using signed integers to count bloom filters
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2025 14:54:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aJNQm1r_FOIqsDlZ@ugly> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aJL06Nlee6CR-KK0@pks.im>

On Wed, Aug 06, 2025 at 08:23:36AM +0200, Patrick Steinhardt wrote:
>On Mon, Aug 04, 2025 at 05:44:06PM -0400, Taylor Blau wrote:
>> I wrote these counters in 312cff5207 (bloom: split 
>> 'get_bloom_filter()'
>> in two, 2020-09-16) and 59f0d5073f (bloom: encode out-of-bounds filters
>> as non-empty, 2020-09-17), and I don't see a compelling reason that
>> these should be unsigned.
>
>I think that is going backwards though: the question to ask is why
>should these be signed if they cannot ever be negative?
>
>> It's true that we don't have any need for negative values here since we
>> are counting from zero, but I don't think that alone justifies changing
>> the signed-ness here.
>> 
>> Is there a reason beyond "these are always non-negative" that changing
>> the signed-ness is warranted? If so, let's discuss that and make sure
>> that it is documented in the commit message. If not, I think we could
>> drop this patch (and optionally the patch before it as well).
>
>Yes, there is: it makes code easier to reason about for the reader, and
>it means that we don't have to guard ourselves against negative values.
>
>If I see a counting variable that is signed I immediately jump to the
>question of whether or not it can ever be a negative value. I assume
>that the author of this code _intentfully_ made it signed to cater to a
>specific edge case.
>
well, there is also the diametrically opposed view:
https://google.github.io/styleguide/cppguide.html#Integer_Types
https://critical.eschertech.com/2010/04/07/danger-unsigned-types-used-here/
https://soundsoftware.ac.uk/c-pitfall-unsigned
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/30395205/why-are-unsigned-integers-error-prone
..

in isync, i standardized on unsigned where possible (e2d3b4d55), and 
sure enough, i introduced one of those underflow bugs not much later 
(859b7dd7f => 12e30ce56) ...

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-06 12:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-04  8:17 [PATCH 0/9] commit-graph: remove reliance on global state Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-04  8:17 ` [PATCH 1/9] trace2: introduce function to trace unsigned integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-04 21:33   ` Taylor Blau
2025-08-04  8:17 ` [PATCH 2/9] commit-graph: stop using signed integers to count bloom filters Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-04  9:13   ` Oswald Buddenhagen
2025-08-04 11:18     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-04 18:34       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-04 21:44         ` Taylor Blau
2025-08-06  6:23           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-06 12:54             ` Oswald Buddenhagen [this message]
2025-08-06 19:04               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-06 15:41             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-07  7:04               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-07 22:41                 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-11  8:05                   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-05 15:13         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-04 21:42   ` Taylor Blau
2025-08-04  8:17 ` [PATCH 3/9] commit-graph: fix type for some write options Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-04 21:52   ` Taylor Blau
2025-08-04  8:17 ` [PATCH 4/9] commit-graph: fix sign comparison warnings Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-04 22:04   ` Taylor Blau
2025-08-06  6:52     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-04  8:17 ` [PATCH 5/9] commit-graph: stop using `the_hash_algo` via macros Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-04 22:05   ` Taylor Blau
2025-08-04  8:17 ` [PATCH 6/9] commit-graph: store the hash algorithm instead of its length Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-04 22:07   ` Taylor Blau
2025-08-04  8:17 ` [PATCH 7/9] commit-graph: stop using `the_hash_algo` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-04 22:10   ` Taylor Blau
2025-08-06  6:53     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-04  8:17 ` [PATCH 8/9] commit-graph: stop using `the_repository` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-04 22:11   ` Taylor Blau
2025-08-04  8:17 ` [PATCH 9/9] commit-graph: stop passing in redundant repository Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-05  4:27 ` [PATCH 0/9] commit-graph: remove reliance on global state Derrick Stolee
2025-08-06  6:53   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-06 12:00 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-06 12:00   ` [PATCH v2 01/10] trace2: introduce function to trace unsigned integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-06 12:00   ` [PATCH v2 02/10] commit-graph: stop using signed integers to count Bloom filters Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-06 12:00   ` [PATCH v2 03/10] commit-graph: fix type for some write options Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-06 12:34     ` Oswald Buddenhagen
2025-08-06 15:40       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-07  7:07         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-06 12:00   ` [PATCH v2 04/10] commit-graph: fix sign comparison warnings Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-06 12:00   ` [PATCH v2 05/10] commit-graph: stop using `the_hash_algo` via macros Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-06 12:00   ` [PATCH v2 06/10] commit-graph: store the hash algorithm instead of its length Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-06 12:00   ` [PATCH v2 07/10] commit-graph: refactor `parse_commit_graph()` to take a repository Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-06 12:00   ` [PATCH v2 08/10] commit-graph: stop using `the_hash_algo` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-06 12:00   ` [PATCH v2 09/10] commit-graph: stop using `the_repository` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-06 12:00   ` [PATCH v2 10/10] commit-graph: stop passing in redundant repository Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-07  8:04 ` [PATCH v3 00/10] commit-graph: remove reliance on global state Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-07  8:04   ` [PATCH v3 01/10] trace2: introduce function to trace unsigned integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-07  8:04   ` [PATCH v3 02/10] commit-graph: stop using signed integers to count Bloom filters Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-07  8:04   ` [PATCH v3 03/10] commit-graph: fix type for some write options Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-07 22:40     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-11  8:24       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-07  8:04   ` [PATCH v3 04/10] commit-graph: fix sign comparison warnings Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-07  8:04   ` [PATCH v3 05/10] commit-graph: stop using `the_hash_algo` via macros Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-07  8:04   ` [PATCH v3 06/10] commit-graph: store the hash algorithm instead of its length Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-07  8:04   ` [PATCH v3 07/10] commit-graph: refactor `parse_commit_graph()` to take a repository Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-07  8:04   ` [PATCH v3 08/10] commit-graph: stop using `the_hash_algo` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-07  8:04   ` [PATCH v3 09/10] commit-graph: stop using `the_repository` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-07  8:04   ` [PATCH v3 10/10] commit-graph: stop passing in redundant repository Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-15  5:49 ` [PATCH v4 0/6] commit-graph: remove reliance on global state Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-15  5:49   ` [PATCH v4 1/6] commit-graph: stop using `the_hash_algo` via macros Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-15  5:49   ` [PATCH v4 2/6] commit-graph: store the hash algorithm instead of its length Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-15  5:49   ` [PATCH v4 3/6] commit-graph: refactor `parse_commit_graph()` to take a repository Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-15  5:49   ` [PATCH v4 4/6] commit-graph: stop using `the_hash_algo` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-15  5:49   ` [PATCH v4 5/6] commit-graph: stop using `the_repository` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-15  5:49   ` [PATCH v4 6/6] commit-graph: stop passing in redundant repository Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-15 15:17   ` [PATCH v4 0/6] commit-graph: remove reliance on global state Derrick Stolee

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