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From: "SZEDER Gábor" <szeder.dev@gmail.com>
To: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org,
	"Haelwenn (lanodan) Monnier" <contact@hacktivis.me>,
	"brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	Ben Knoble <ben.knoble@gmail.com>,
	Christian Brabandt <cb@256bit.org>,
	Collin Funk <collin.funk1@gmail.com>,
	Eli Schwartz <eschwartz@gentoo.org>,
	Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>,
	Ezekiel Newren <ezekielnewren@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>,
	Pierre-Emmanuel Patry <pierre-emmanuel.patry@embecosm.com>,
	Sam James <sam@gentoo.org>, Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	Kristoffer Haugsbakk <kristofferhaugsbakk@fastmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2025 00:09:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aMsxhp6ZO2Cdz7+k@szeder.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250915-b4-pks-rust-breaking-change-v5-7-dc3a32fbb216@pks.im>

On Mon, Sep 15, 2025 at 01:22:54PM +0200, Patrick Steinhardt wrote:
> Over the last couple of years the appetite for bringing Rust into the
> codebase has grown significantly across the developer base. Introducing
> Rust is a major change though and has ramifications for the whole
> ecosystem:
> 
>   - Some platforms have a Rust toolchain available, but have not yet
>     integrated it into their build infrastructure.
> 
>   - Some platforms don't have any support for Rust at all.
> 
>   - Some platforms may have to figure out how to fit Rust into their
>     bootstrapping sequence.
> 
> Due to this, and given that Git is a critical piece of infrastructure
> for the whole industry, we cannot just introduce such a heavyweight
> dependency without doing our due diligence.
> 
> Instead, preceding commits have introduced a test balloon into our build
> infrastructure that convert one tiny subsystem to use Rust. For now,
> using Rust to build that subsystem is entirely optional -- if no Rust
> support is available, we continue to use the C implementation. This test
> balloon has the intention to give distributions time and let them ease
> into our adoption of Rust.
> 
> Having multiple implementations of the same subsystem is not sustainable
> though, and the plan is to eventually be able to use Rust freely all
> across our codebase. As such, there is the intent to make Rust become a
> mandatory part of our build process.
> 
> Add an announcement to our breaking changes that Rust will become
> mandatory in Git 3.0. A (very careful and non-binding) estimate might be
> that this major release might be released in the second half of next
> year, which should give distributors enough time to prepare for the
> change.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
> ---
>  Documentation/BreakingChanges.adoc | 38 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 38 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/BreakingChanges.adoc b/Documentation/BreakingChanges.adoc
> index f8d2eba061..0512411030 100644
> --- a/Documentation/BreakingChanges.adoc
> +++ b/Documentation/BreakingChanges.adoc
> @@ -165,6 +165,44 @@ A prerequisite for this change is that the ecosystem is ready to support the
>  "reftable" format. Most importantly, alternative implementations of Git like
>  JGit, libgit2 and Gitoxide need to support it.
>  
> +* Git will require Rust as a mandatory part of the build process. While Git
> +  already started to adopt Rust in Git 2.52, all parts written in Rust are
> +  optional for the time being. This includes:
> ++
> +  ** Subsystems that have an alternative implementation in Rust to test
> +     interoperability between our C and Rust codebase.
> +  ** Newly written features that are not mission critical for a fully functional
> +     Git client.
> ++
> +These changes are meant as test balloons to allow distributors of Git to prepare
> +for Rust becoming a mandatory part of the build process. There will be multiple
> +milestones for the introduction of Rust:
> ++
> +--
> +1. Initially, with Git 2.52, support for Rust will be auto-detected by Meson and
> +   disabled in our Makefile so that the project can sort out the initial
> +   infrastructure.
> +2. In Git 2.53, both build systems will default-enable support for Rust.
> +   Consequently, builds will break by default if Rust is not available on the
> +   build host. The use of Rust can still be explicitly disabled via build
> +   flags.
> +3. In Git 3.0, the build options will be removed and support for Rust is
> +   mandatory.
> +--
> ++
> +You can explicitly ask both Meson and our Makefile-based system to enable Rust
> +by saying `meson configure -Drust=enabled` and `make WITH_RUST=YesPlease`,
> +respectively.
> ++
> +The Git project will declare the last version before Git 3.0 to be a long-term
> +support release. This long-term release will receive important bug fixes for at
> +least four release cycles and security fixes for six release cycles. The Git
> +project will hand over maintainership of the long-term release to distributors
> +in case they need to extend the life of that long-term release even further. In
> +that case, the backporting process will be handled by these distributors, but
> +the backported patches will be reviewed on the mailing list and pulled in by the
> +Git maintainer.

Providing an LTS release for those platforms that can't jump on the
Rust bandwagon is great, but...

Git 3.0 will switch the default hash algorithm for newly initialized
repositories to SHA-256, which, presumably, will also encourage SHA-1
-> SHA-256 migrations in existing repositories.  Alas, it appears that
the SHA-1/SHA-256 interop feature will only be available in Rust.

How will this affect those platforms without Rust?  What will and
won't work on such platforms?

I think it should be called out explicitly in the justification that
whatever limitations this imposes on those platforms with respect to
hash function transition, the project has duly considered that and is
OK with it.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-17 22:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 207+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-04 14:26 [PATCH RFC 0/3] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 18:50   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05  7:53     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 22:06   ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-04 22:46     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05  7:49       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05  1:16     ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05  7:50       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 13:20         ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 22:37   ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-05  7:54     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 23:39   ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-05  2:00     ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05  7:54       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 13:39         ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-07 20:07   ` Ben Knoble
2025-09-08  4:39     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08 11:39       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09  0:49       ` Ben Knoble
2025-09-09 15:27         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:44     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 17:38   ` Eric Sunshine
2025-09-05  7:54     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/7] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50   ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/7] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 17:47     ` Justin Tobler
2025-09-08  6:42       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:54     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:42       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50   ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/7] Makefile: introduce " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 20:21     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-08  6:40       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:58     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:41       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07 15:26     ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-08  6:41       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50   ` [PATCH RFC v2 3/7] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 19:51     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-07  5:00       ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 4/7] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 21:46     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05 22:39       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05 23:04         ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 5/7] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 12:45     ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-09-05 13:38       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:38         ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-08  6:42           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  5:31         ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:42           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:22       ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 14:32       ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05 19:34         ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-07  5:25     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 6/7] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  0:21     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:41       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 7/7] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 19:56     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-08  6:40       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 21:00     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:40       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:14   ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/7] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 14:28     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:31       ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:44         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 23:00           ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10  8:21             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09  6:33           ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-10  8:21             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09  9:12       ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-10  8:21         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10  9:32           ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-10 10:49             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/8] " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 1/8] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 22:09     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-09  1:03       ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10  8:22       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 2/8] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 3/8] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 4/8] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 5/8] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 17:19     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-08 22:22       ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10  8:22         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 6/8] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 7/8] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 8/8] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:20   ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/8] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-10 15:35 ` [PATCH RFC v4 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-11 21:33     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 21:04     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 21:20     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-15 10:53       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-22 16:24         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-23  5:32           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  8:53             ` LTS "lieutenant", was " Johannes Schindelin
2025-09-24 13:47               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 14:31             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-24 12:53               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-24 17:43                 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-10 21:42     ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-15 10:53       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-11 21:55   ` [PATCH RFC v4 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory brian m. carlson
2025-09-15 10:53     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-12 15:45   ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-12 16:32     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-15 10:50       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22 ` [PATCH v5 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-17 22:09     ` SZEDER Gábor [this message]
2025-09-18  1:19       ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-22 19:34         ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-22 20:59           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-22 22:15             ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-22 22:56               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-23  1:59                 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-23  4:54                 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 14:17                   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-23  0:43             ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-19 13:59     ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-22 13:01       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-22 14:07         ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-22 14:38           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 17:12   ` [PATCH v5 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
2025-09-16  2:03   ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-16 10:06     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-17 12:07       ` Sam James
2025-09-17 17:30         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-16 22:25     ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-16 23:38       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-17 18:32         ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-18  3:47   ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-25  1:10   ` what's missing from newer C? [was: [PATCH v5 0/9] Introduce Rust ....] Eric Wong
2025-09-26 22:17     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-04  1:02       ` Eric Wong
2025-10-06  9:13         ` Pierre-Emmanuel Patry
2025-09-19 18:41 ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-09-22 13:01   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45 ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 15:29     ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-23 17:29       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-24  5:03         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 20:15   ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-24  5:02     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-24 14:34       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-25  6:30 ` [PATCH v7 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 21:33     ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-30 13:34     ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-01 17:22       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-02  7:30         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-01 17:21     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-01 19:44       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 16:35   ` [PATCH v7 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
2025-10-01 18:43     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-02  7:29 ` [PATCH v8 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 16:38   ` [PATCH v8 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
2025-10-07  9:59     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 23:35   ` Ezekiel Newren

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