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From: "SZEDER Gábor" <szeder.dev@gmail.com>
To: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>,
	git@vger.kernel.org,
	"Haelwenn (lanodan) Monnier" <contact@hacktivis.me>,
	Ben Knoble <ben.knoble@gmail.com>,
	Christian Brabandt <cb@256bit.org>,
	Collin Funk <collin.funk1@gmail.com>,
	Eli Schwartz <eschwartz@gentoo.org>,
	Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>,
	Ezekiel Newren <ezekielnewren@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>,
	Pierre-Emmanuel Patry <pierre-emmanuel.patry@embecosm.com>,
	Sam James <sam@gentoo.org>, Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	Kristoffer Haugsbakk <kristofferhaugsbakk@fastmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2025 21:34:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aNGkt/DdnbjNu3s8@szeder.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aMteF4VTq2C5sAhK@fruit.crustytoothpaste.net>

On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 01:19:19AM +0000, brian m. carlson wrote:
> On 2025-09-17 at 22:09:10, SZEDER Gábor wrote:
> > Providing an LTS release for those platforms that can't jump on the
> > Rust bandwagon is great, but...
> > 
> > Git 3.0 will switch the default hash algorithm for newly initialized
> > repositories to SHA-256, which, presumably, will also encourage SHA-1
> > -> SHA-256 migrations in existing repositories.  Alas, it appears that
> > the SHA-1/SHA-256 interop feature will only be available in Rust.
> > 
> > How will this affect those platforms without Rust?  What will and
> > won't work on such platforms?
> 
> On Git 3.0, nothing will work without Rust because it will be mandatory.

Well, "What will and won't work with respect to hash transition" was
what I meant but, alas, didn't convey.

> However, people who want to perform the conversion can do that by
> booting a Linux VM[0] and converting the repository there, then pushing
> it somewhere.  The only inconvenience is that you'll have to have a flag
> day for working with the repository on older Git: you won't be able to
> dynamically pull from or push to a repository with a different main
> algorithm than you.
> 
> One of my first patches is that setting extensions.compatObjectFormat
> without Rust will simply die and say that's not supported.  If that
> config value is unset, then Git up to 3.0 will simply function as
> normal, so full single-hash compatibility is assured.  We already have
> that: SHA-256 repositories work just fine with SHA-256 remotes and SHA-1
> repositories work just fine with SHA-1 remotes, but they're currently
> not interoperable.

Thanks for the explanation.  I think this would indeed be a worthwhile
addition to the commit message, or perhaps even to the BreakingChanges
document.

> > I think it should be called out explicitly in the justification that
> > whatever limitations this imposes on those platforms with respect to
> > hash function transition, the project has duly considered that and is
> > OK with it.
> 
> I am fine with this and I don't think this is a problem.

Not sure I can agree with that, though.


> I realize the decision to incorporate Rust was made recently,

Indeed it was.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-22 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 207+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-04 14:26 [PATCH RFC 0/3] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 18:50   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05  7:53     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 22:06   ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-04 22:46     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05  7:49       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05  1:16     ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05  7:50       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 13:20         ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 22:37   ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-05  7:54     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 23:39   ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-05  2:00     ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05  7:54       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 13:39         ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-07 20:07   ` Ben Knoble
2025-09-08  4:39     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08 11:39       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09  0:49       ` Ben Knoble
2025-09-09 15:27         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:44     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 17:38   ` Eric Sunshine
2025-09-05  7:54     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/7] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50   ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/7] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 17:47     ` Justin Tobler
2025-09-08  6:42       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:54     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:42       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50   ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/7] Makefile: introduce " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 20:21     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-08  6:40       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:58     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:41       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07 15:26     ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-08  6:41       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50   ` [PATCH RFC v2 3/7] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 19:51     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-07  5:00       ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 4/7] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 21:46     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05 22:39       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05 23:04         ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 5/7] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 12:45     ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-09-05 13:38       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:38         ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-08  6:42           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  5:31         ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:42           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:22       ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 14:32       ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05 19:34         ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-07  5:25     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 6/7] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  0:21     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:41       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 7/7] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 19:56     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-08  6:40       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 21:00     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:40       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:14   ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/7] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 14:28     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:31       ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:44         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 23:00           ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10  8:21             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09  6:33           ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-10  8:21             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09  9:12       ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-10  8:21         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10  9:32           ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-10 10:49             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/8] " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 1/8] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 22:09     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-09  1:03       ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10  8:22       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 2/8] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 3/8] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 4/8] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 5/8] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 17:19     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-08 22:22       ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10  8:22         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 6/8] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 7/8] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 8/8] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:20   ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/8] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-10 15:35 ` [PATCH RFC v4 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-11 21:33     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 21:04     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 21:20     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-15 10:53       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-22 16:24         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-23  5:32           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  8:53             ` LTS "lieutenant", was " Johannes Schindelin
2025-09-24 13:47               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 14:31             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-24 12:53               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-24 17:43                 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-10 21:42     ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-15 10:53       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-11 21:55   ` [PATCH RFC v4 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory brian m. carlson
2025-09-15 10:53     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-12 15:45   ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-12 16:32     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-15 10:50       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22 ` [PATCH v5 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-17 22:09     ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-18  1:19       ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-22 19:34         ` SZEDER Gábor [this message]
2025-09-22 20:59           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-22 22:15             ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-22 22:56               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-23  1:59                 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-23  4:54                 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 14:17                   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-23  0:43             ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-19 13:59     ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-22 13:01       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-22 14:07         ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-22 14:38           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 17:12   ` [PATCH v5 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
2025-09-16  2:03   ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-16 10:06     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-17 12:07       ` Sam James
2025-09-17 17:30         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-16 22:25     ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-16 23:38       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-17 18:32         ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-18  3:47   ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-25  1:10   ` what's missing from newer C? [was: [PATCH v5 0/9] Introduce Rust ....] Eric Wong
2025-09-26 22:17     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-04  1:02       ` Eric Wong
2025-10-06  9:13         ` Pierre-Emmanuel Patry
2025-09-19 18:41 ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-09-22 13:01   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45 ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 15:29     ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-23 17:29       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-24  5:03         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 20:15   ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-24  5:02     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-24 14:34       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-25  6:30 ` [PATCH v7 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 21:33     ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-30 13:34     ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-01 17:22       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-02  7:30         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-01 17:21     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-01 19:44       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 16:35   ` [PATCH v7 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
2025-10-01 18:43     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-02  7:29 ` [PATCH v8 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 16:38   ` [PATCH v8 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
2025-10-07  9:59     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 23:35   ` Ezekiel Newren

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