From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from out-181.mta1.migadu.com (out-181.mta1.migadu.com [95.215.58.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A023D2F3C3E for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2026 16:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=95.215.58.181 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1780416580; cv=none; b=Oz3VrzfO+eZXMwYdSMvucToyupibRwyzVAmSG/dEWDiQd/GVDy8mfWE5nu4q/8NWVi9xBgJ/I1uwmQnykB7okThNuDVzKMWmXCGai8mikctlrJFptcb1X4mf+cPJChzwRb1bC63mkxBQKDHtlYrZ0ZTgYmWDYnf9UnXosSugtzE= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1780416580; c=relaxed/simple; bh=YhVXF0MDn+xTqTxwyoHnJwEr1N7mAA+C+EdfkDSSCV4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=XzuE2uPlVmstFmM4fmzcxwera7jmOMeHkAwLO0CkxqTgIPUeJ+N2aLF1immrp9Zoeht7IIucoKv9WicOVs55i27RSnNErV12Q+i5CnlJP3ZIrgSefWT795b7F2QYqOluzu0WwtxVuqALyhy1vcAwf3QHfH47lp7GO9ZlMI4V9r0= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=wyuan.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=wyuan.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=wyuan.org header.i=@wyuan.org header.b=MI49eQ+x; arc=none smtp.client-ip=95.215.58.181 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=wyuan.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=wyuan.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=wyuan.org header.i=@wyuan.org header.b="MI49eQ+x" Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2026 00:09:16 +0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wyuan.org; s=key1; t=1780416576; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=YhVXF0MDn+xTqTxwyoHnJwEr1N7mAA+C+EdfkDSSCV4=; b=MI49eQ+x0b4QuFnsGQlep9/6vpiUd0RsH518pWprAStXJJIO9Hz7yvZvVeF9Oy5EgkjeYi /otiZ8DQ9rr5zQZCp+1OQMXh/5oFraO9im4/jE5qFHkfVOMrRcJ4qD5s4rDY6QD1Ji9dzV azS3VpJSOP4VQMGwIearTUEPx75pPKnip6AidAn/a7VvsPoFxrMBU7/4ZRmsDqRc5+W9W/ v2URQeQGf+uAin5hWIZo7AKeQwqYhAff3U3/p84Vm/yS4Yh4DhmZS6r2mxiff89+48wsGy e13ZXNkKy6eoGA/rnstmtqToTXHSxPDPboJLtr3opLYrqNSLAPj26c4J6OcFPg== X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. From: Weijie Yuan To: Patrick Steinhardt Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Junio C Hamano Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Documentation/MyFirstContribution: recommend the use of b4 Message-ID: References: <20260602-pks-b4-v1-0-a7ae5a49e9cf@pks.im> <20260602-pks-b4-v1-2-a7ae5a49e9cf@pks.im> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20260602-pks-b4-v1-2-a7ae5a49e9cf@pks.im> X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT Hi Patrick and Junio, Just so happens that I just submitted my first patch. At this point, I may or should be the target audience for this document. I personally watched Patrick's videos with Scott Chacon[1] first, and I reviewed them many times until I could do those "manual" git operations. > +Contributors are encouraged to use `b4`, which automates much of the > +bookkeeping that is otherwise done by hand. So for statement like this and with my personal experience, I would say b4 is a more suitable option for senior contributors, as they already know, for example, what Message-ID and range-diffs are. But apparently, whose who use forges may not know. Back to the patch, I think regarding b4 as a more advanced contribution way for those who had contributed via mailing lists for more than one time is a better expression or formulation. Here I mean "b4 prep", other usage like "b4 mbox" and "b4 am" are of course more basic, and be mentioned as tips when interacting with Git mailing list. A bit too wordy, in conclusion: Suggest that new contributors master classic git operations first. When they are familiar with those process, b4 might be a good option. Thanks! -- [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjYac9SwIK0&t=1s (Part 1)