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From: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org,
	"brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>,
	Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>,
	Phillip Wood <phillip.wood@dunelm.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2 2/2] Move libgit.a sources into separate "lib/" directory
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2026 12:32:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ajuyMrQ3Eg4pB-Iz@pks.im> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqcxxi3eov.fsf@gitster.g>

On Mon, Jun 22, 2026 at 06:08:48AM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im> writes:
> 
> > The Git project is not exactly the easiest project to get started in:
> > it's written in C and POSIX shell, with bits of Perl, Rust and other
> > languages sprinkled into it. On top of that, the project has grown
> > somewhat organically over time, making the codebase hard to navigate.
> >
> > But there is a rather practical problem: finding your way around in our
> > project's tree is not easy. Doing a directory listing in the top-level
> > directory will present you with more than 550 files, which makes it
> > extremely hard for a newcomer to figure out what files they are even
> > supposed to look at.
> 
> Well, many things already live in the dedicated corner of their own
> universe, like tests in t/, builtins in builtins/, and documentation
> in Documentation/.  This is pretty much moving everything else in a
> single directory lib/.  Surely there are things like top-level
> Makefile and other build- and ci-related things that do not move to
> lib/ for obvious reasons, but I view this move essentially to change
> "for core-ish and library-ish things, look at the top level
> directory" to "for core-ish and library-ish things look at lib/
> directory".

Right. It does drown out the things that have to live in the root
directory though, for example files like README.md or SECURITY.md.

> Would that make it easier to navigate?  I am not sure.  What I am
> sure is that this will force many in-flight topic (and soon to be
> in-flight because people are holding them back during the prerelease
> freeze period) to be updated, and it will make it harder to make
> fixes that can apply both to 2.55 and before and newer codebase.

That's definitely a downside, I agree.

I have a bit of a different angle on the second part: it's not uncommon
that projects move stuff around, and if Git cannot handle those
scenarios well that's a usability issue that we'd ideally fix. And by
doing such a rename we basically subject ourselves to the same pain that
other projects are seeing, which might give us more incentive to
actually fix those pain points.

This might be a bit of a weird take and might raise some eyebrows. But
it's basically a tooling issue, and we are the ones who provide the
tooling. So we're in the best position to fix it, and by doing so make
everyone elses lives easier, as well.

Who knows how good submodules would have been nowadays if we had used
them ourselves? :P

> So, my initial reaction is somewhat negative, but I am known to
> accept changes that I myself do not necessarily agree with, so...

That's fair, and just to state the obvious: I'm still happy if the
community decides that this is not worth doing. But from what I've seen
until now it seems like most feedback I got was rather positive. Which
honestly surprised me, I was expecting more pushback.

Thanks!

Patrick

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-24 10:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-16 13:24 [PATCH RFC 0/2] Move libgit.a sources into separate "lib/" directory Patrick Steinhardt
2026-04-16 13:24 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] t/helper: prepare "test-example-tap.c" for introduction of "lib/" Patrick Steinhardt
2026-04-16 13:24 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] Move libgit.a sources into separate "lib/" directory Patrick Steinhardt
2026-04-17 17:08   ` Elijah Newren
2026-04-17 19:18   ` brian m. carlson
2026-04-17 21:18     ` Junio C Hamano
2026-04-17 21:51       ` brian m. carlson
2026-04-20  6:41         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-04-19 14:11 ` [PATCH RFC 0/2] " Phillip Wood
2026-04-20  6:41   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-04-20 12:03 ` Derrick Stolee
2026-04-21  5:55   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-04-21 14:13     ` Derrick Stolee
2026-04-22  6:39       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-06-22 10:38 ` [PATCH RFC v2 " Patrick Steinhardt
2026-06-22 10:38   ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/2] t/helper: prepare "test-example-tap.c" for introduction of "lib/" Patrick Steinhardt
2026-06-22 10:38   ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/2] Move libgit.a sources into separate "lib/" directory Patrick Steinhardt
2026-06-22 13:08     ` Junio C Hamano
2026-06-24 10:32       ` Patrick Steinhardt [this message]
2026-06-24 11:23       ` Oswald Buddenhagen

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