From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Johannes Schindelin Subject: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:14:23 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: References: <487E34EC.40708@iar.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: git@vger.kernel.org To: Jesper Eskilson X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Wed Jul 16 20:15:36 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KJBX7-0002GA-Lx for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:15:22 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753253AbYGPSOW (ORCPT ); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:14:22 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753229AbYGPSOW (ORCPT ); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:14:22 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:34062 "HELO mail.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1753115AbYGPSOW (ORCPT ); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:14:22 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Jul 2008 18:14:20 -0000 Received: from grape.st-and.ac.uk (EHLO grape.st-and.ac.uk) [138.251.155.28] by mail.gmx.net (mp041) with SMTP; 16 Jul 2008 20:14:20 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1490710 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/CIYU3i5HCKehYp7xRe9nnpUW+kb856hOz+KzlAJ T3SKOxV8wZcAi3 X-X-Sender: gene099@racer In-Reply-To: <487E34EC.40708@iar.se> User-Agent: Alpine 1.00 (DEB 882 2007-12-20) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Hi, On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Jesper Eskilson wrote: > Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > > Now, it makes me really, really sad that Git has a reputation of being > > complicated, but I regularly hear from _my_ users that they do not > > understand how that came about. > > Well, Git is not the easiest tool on the market to learn. For people > used to centralized systems such as RCS/CVS/Subversion, many concepts > are truly alien. I've recently experienced a transition at our company > from MKS/SI (a RCS derivative) to Subversion, and the mental gap was for > many users HUGE. Had we done the transition from MKS/SI to Git, I'm sure > several user's brains would have exploded. > > From my perspective, the concept I found most difficult to grasp at the > very beginning was how the index worked, and many of the introductory > texts on Git that I looked through only very brielfy explained the > purpose of the index: Why is it there? Why is it called "index"? How > does it fit into a typical workflow? Having a CVS/Subversion background, > it took a while for me to really assimilate the concept. What does your answer have to do with my mail, i.e. with plumbing? Ciao, Dscho