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From: Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <junkio@cox.net>,
	David Lang <david.lang@digitalinsight.com>,
	Andy Parkins <andyparkins@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Add keyword unexpansion support to convert.c
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:10:41 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704181058190.4504@xanadu.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0704181313060.12094@racer.site>

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Johannes Schindelin wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> 
> > So what?
> > 
> > We provide a rope with proper caveat emptor.  Up to others to hang 
> > themselves with it if they so desire.  It is not our problem anymore.
> 
> The people will complain. On this list. And I have to check the mails 
> before deleting, because the Subject: does not say "I just took the rope, 
> ignored your caveat emptor, and now I am dead. What should I do now?".

Well... in the case of keyword expansion (since this is really the 
contentious case here), with such a _generic_ facility to implement 
external filters, people will at least have the opportunity to try it.  
Sure they might complain that it doesn't work well, but 1) it is much 
easier to *understand* why it doesn't work well after experimenting with 
it, and 2) some people *will* be perfectly happy with something that 
doesn't work well but happens to just work in their own particular case.

And because it now becomes a case by case issue it is much easier for 
us to simply provide a generic mechanism and let people figure out by 
themselves what works and what doesn't work instead of having 
philosophical discussions on the merits of keyword expansions on the 
list.

And because people _will_ complain *anyway*, it might lead to more 
productive discussion if those who complain had the chance to realize 
what the issues really are by experience if theoretic demonstrations alone 
doesn't convey the problem fully.


Nicolas

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-18 15:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-17  9:41 [PATCH 2/2] Add keyword unexpansion support to convert.c Andy Parkins
     [not found] ` <200704171803.58940.an dyparkins@gmail.com>
2007-04-17 10:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-17 11:35   ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-17 15:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-17 17:03       ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-17 18:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-17 19:12           ` Andy Parkins
     [not found]             ` <alpine.LFD. 0.98.0704171530220.4504@xanadu.home>
2007-04-17 19:41             ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-17 19:45               ` David Lang
     [not found]                 ` <alpin e.LFD.0.98.0704171624190.4504@xanadu.home>
2007-04-17 20:29                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-17 20:05                   ` David Lang
2007-04-17 21:16                     ` Nicolas Pitre
     [not found]                       ` <7vy7k qlj5r.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net>
2007-04-17 20:53                       ` David Lang
2007-04-17 21:52                         ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-17 22:40                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-18  2:39                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-18  5:04                           ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-18 14:56                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-18 11:14                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-18 15:10                             ` Nicolas Pitre [this message]
2007-04-19  8:19                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-21  0:42                         ` David Lang
2007-04-21  1:54                           ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-21  2:06                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-21 23:31                             ` David Lang
2007-04-18  6:24                       ` Rogan Dawes
2007-04-18 15:02                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18 15:34                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-18 15:38                           ` Rogan Dawes
2007-04-18 15:59                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-18 16:09                               ` Rogan Dawes
2007-04-18 17:58                               ` Alon Ziv
2007-04-17 19:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-17 20:46               ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-17 20:52                 ` [PATCH] Add keyword collapse " Andy Parkins
2007-04-17 21:10                 ` [PATCH 2/2] Add keyword unexpansion " Linus Torvalds
2007-04-17 21:13                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18 11:11                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-20 11:32                 ` Nikolai Weibull
2007-04-17 21:18             ` Martin Langhoff
2007-04-17 21:24     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-20  0:30     ` Jakub Narebski
2007-04-21  0:47       ` David Lang
2007-04-17 15:46   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-17 10:41 ` Johannes Sixt
2007-04-17 15:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-17 17:10   ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-17 17:18   ` Rogan Dawes
2007-04-17 18:23     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-17 20:27       ` Rogan Dawes
2007-04-17 23:56       ` Robin H. Johnson
2007-04-18  0:02         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-18  0:26           ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-18  1:19             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18  1:28               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-18  1:33                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18  1:06           ` Robin H. Johnson
2007-04-18  1:15             ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-18  1:42               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-18  2:53                 ` Robin H. Johnson
2007-04-18  4:15           ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-18 11:32           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-18  2:50         ` Martin Langhoff
2007-04-18 10:06         ` David Kågedal
2007-04-18 11:08           ` Robin H. Johnson
2007-04-17 21:00 ` Matthieu Moy

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