From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Linus Torvalds Subject: Re: Git User's Survey 2007 unfinished summary continued Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <8fe92b430710081355i7d3dbaa2q9a8939b55d7ca7dc@mail.gmail.com> <8fe92b430710121508g13917080mac156250abfccf20@mail.gmail.com> <853awepyz6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20071013202713.GA2467@fieldses.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii Cc: "J. Bruce Fields" , Jakub Narebski , git@vger.kernel.org To: Johannes Schindelin X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Sun Oct 14 03:13:57 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Igs3I-0006Sr-NC for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:13:57 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754238AbXJNBNj (ORCPT ); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:13:39 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754084AbXJNBNj (ORCPT ); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:13:39 -0400 Received: from smtp2.linux-foundation.org ([207.189.120.14]:54627 "EHLO smtp2.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754050AbXJNBNi (ORCPT ); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:13:38 -0400 Received: from imap1.linux-foundation.org (imap1.linux-foundation.org [207.189.120.55]) by smtp2.linux-foundation.org (8.13.5.20060308/8.13.5/Debian-3ubuntu1.1) with ESMTP id l9E1DIOQ020456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:13:19 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imap1.linux-foundation.org (8.13.5.20060308/8.13.5/Debian-3ubuntu1.1) with ESMTP id l9E1DIrN028363; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:13:18 -0700 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.719 required=5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0-osdl_revision__1.47__ X-MIMEDefang-Filter: lf$Revision: 1.188 $ X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.53 on 207.189.120.14 Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Sun, 14 Oct 2007, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > My main point is -- and always was -- that I'd like people to realise how > much it depends on _them_ if (and when) their wishes come true. Dscho, that's just not fair. The fact is, stating what you wish for *is* taking an action. Starting to complain about people stating their wishes (which you have done several times) is simply unreasonable. You don't have to *do* what they wish for, but I really wish you stopped complaining about people bringing up their hopes for improvement. Complain about it when somebody asks for something *stupid*. Explain why it would be wrong to do something like that. But don't complain about people having wish-lists, even if those people may not work on them. Not everybody is a "doer". It's important to get input from people who are just plain users, or hope to be. Linus