From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: "Kristian Høgsberg" <krh@redhat.com>, "Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
git@vger.kernel.org,
"Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
"Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
users@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:03:25 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808260959000.3363@nehalem.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1219766398.7107.87.camel@pmac.infradead.org>
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, David Woodhouse wrote:
>
> Nice emotive response, especially the subtle but unsubstantiated 'silent
> majority in favour' bit -- but you forgot the part where you were
> supposed to actually point out a tangible benefit which is achieved by
> breaking compatibility like this.
Umm. The 'git-xyzzy' thing has been one of the #1 complaints since pretty
much day#1. The number of people complaining about it going away has
literally been _much_ smaller than the people who complained about it
being there.
Also, like it or not, it's done. So the argument about "compatibility" is
TOTAL AND UTTER BULLSHIT. There is no compatibility, because we already
released a major version without them.
So live with it, and just add the
PATH="$PATH:$(git --exec-path)"
as a "compatibility layer" to your own setup already. There is no
downside, and I think there _is_ a big upside, and no, it's not just about
"/usr/bin" being smaller.
In case you wonder, the upside is:
- new people don't even learn the mistakes
- the people who _did_ complain are happier
- this model allows a per-user-preference model even on the same machine
(ie even on something like master.kernel.org, everybody can choose
_individually_ whether they want to see 'git-xyzzy' or not!)
and there really is zero downside apart from the _trivial_ downside of you
just having to add a single PATH thing to your .bashrc or something.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-08-26 17:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 193+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-08-24 3:33 [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Junio C Hamano
2008-08-24 4:23 ` [kernel.org users] " Linus Torvalds
2008-08-24 4:54 ` Imran M Yousuf
2008-08-24 8:40 ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-25 11:49 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-25 12:17 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-08-25 12:43 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-26 3:00 ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-08-25 13:22 ` Ben Collins
2008-08-25 14:38 ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-25 18:19 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-25 23:41 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-26 12:27 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-26 14:57 ` Jeff King
2008-08-26 15:34 ` Kristian Høgsberg
2008-08-26 15:59 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-26 16:04 ` Matthias Kestenholz
2008-08-26 16:25 ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-26 16:45 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-26 17:04 ` Jeff King
2008-08-26 17:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26 17:27 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-27 6:04 ` Ulrich Windl
2008-08-26 17:10 ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-26 17:11 ` [PATCH] bash completion: Hide more plumbing commands Petr Baudis
2008-08-26 17:24 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-26 17:43 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-08-26 18:25 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-26 18:27 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-26 19:04 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-08-26 19:07 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-26 19:23 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-09-03 22:23 ` Petr Baudis
2008-09-03 22:31 ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-26 17:38 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-03 17:56 ` Petr Baudis
2008-09-04 4:57 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-26 21:53 ` Matthieu Moy
2008-08-27 9:09 ` Karl Hasselström
2008-08-26 17:12 ` [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-26 17:16 ` Jeff King
2008-08-26 17:47 ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2008-08-26 21:06 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-08-27 20:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-08-27 20:27 ` Jeff King
2008-08-27 20:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-08-27 20:53 ` Jeff King
2008-08-27 21:05 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-27 21:13 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-27 21:22 ` Jeff King
2008-08-27 22:29 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-27 21:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-27 23:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-08-28 6:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-28 7:46 ` git-show vs git-log (or: git show vs git log) Dominik Brodowski
2008-08-28 14:44 ` [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Alex Riesen
2008-08-28 5:43 ` Mike Hommey
2008-08-27 20:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-27 6:00 ` Ulrich Windl
2008-08-27 7:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-27 19:14 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-27 19:43 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-27 19:50 ` Jeff King
2008-08-27 19:54 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-27 20:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-27 21:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-27 23:27 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-27 23:53 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 0:05 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 9:04 ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 10:33 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 10:42 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-28 19:56 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 10:47 ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 16:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-28 19:24 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 19:52 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-08-28 20:23 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 20:44 ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 20:57 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 21:23 ` Jeff King
2008-08-28 21:41 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 21:53 ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 21:59 ` Jeff King
2008-08-28 22:33 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 23:04 ` Jeff King
2008-08-28 23:22 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 23:36 ` Jeff King
2008-08-28 23:24 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-28 23:28 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 23:30 ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 23:41 ` git-* in test scripts (was On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins) Jeff King
2008-08-29 0:04 ` git-* in test scripts Junio C Hamano
2008-08-29 0:10 ` Jeff King
2008-08-29 7:51 ` [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Andreas Ericsson
2008-08-29 8:05 ` Matthieu Moy
2008-08-29 8:23 ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-08-29 8:27 ` Matthias Kestenholz
2008-08-29 9:02 ` Matthieu Moy
2008-08-28 23:12 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-29 15:24 ` Aidan Van Dyk
2008-08-29 16:11 ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-29 16:24 ` Aidan Van Dyk
2008-08-29 16:28 ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-29 16:41 ` Aidan Van Dyk
2008-08-30 8:13 ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-08-28 23:31 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-08-29 9:33 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-08-30 13:24 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-30 13:50 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-08-30 14:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-26 17:07 ` Jeff King
2008-08-26 17:42 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-08-26 16:17 ` Kristian Høgsberg
2008-08-26 16:23 ` Jean Delvare
2008-08-26 16:50 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-08-26 17:20 ` Jean Delvare
2008-08-27 7:42 ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-08-27 8:21 ` Jean Delvare
2008-08-27 15:14 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-08-26 20:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-27 7:42 ` Jean Delvare
2008-08-27 8:32 ` [kernel.org users] " Andreas Ericsson
2008-08-26 17:03 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2008-08-26 17:29 ` Bruce Stephens
2008-08-26 17:35 ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-26 17:38 ` Bruce Stephens
2008-08-28 15:21 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-26 17:34 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-08-26 18:09 ` Dominik Brodowski
2008-08-26 18:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26 18:55 ` Al Viro
2008-08-26 19:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26 19:22 ` Al Viro
2008-08-26 19:11 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-08-28 15:24 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-26 21:08 ` Dominik Brodowski
2008-08-26 21:28 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-26 21:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26 23:21 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-27 15:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-27 23:09 ` Russell King
2008-08-27 23:53 ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-28 19:19 ` Russell King
2008-08-28 20:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-28 20:30 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-28 20:36 ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 20:57 ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-28 21:05 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 1:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-27 0:34 ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-08-27 12:23 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-08-26 20:39 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-26 21:03 ` Jeff King
2008-08-27 2:24 ` Jay Soffian
2008-08-27 14:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-26 23:36 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-26 23:45 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-08-28 15:32 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-27 0:17 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-27 22:52 ` Russell King
2008-08-28 15:34 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-28 16:10 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-28 19:18 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-28 19:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-27 23:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-28 0:09 ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-28 0:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-08-28 7:14 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-28 8:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-28 8:32 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-28 8:57 ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-28 11:54 ` Al Viro
2008-08-28 13:15 ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-28 13:34 ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-28 13:45 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2008-08-28 16:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-28 20:42 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 23:03 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-08-28 23:14 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 23:45 ` Jeff King
2008-08-28 23:55 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-29 14:12 ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-28 14:06 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-08-28 14:13 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-08-28 16:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26 2:58 ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-08-26 7:17 ` Jean Delvare
2008-08-26 11:12 ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-08-26 11:56 ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-26 21:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-26 14:28 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-26 14:46 ` Jeff King
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=alpine.LFD.1.10.0808260959000.3363@nehalem.linux-foundation.org \
--to=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
--cc=Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de \
--cc=dwmw2@infradead.org \
--cc=git@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=gitster@pobox.com \
--cc=krh@redhat.com \
--cc=peff@peff.net \
--cc=users@kernel.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).