From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Johannes Schindelin Subject: Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:50:35 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: References: <478E1FED.5010801@web.de> <1574A90A-8C45-46AD-9402-34AE6F582B3F@sb.org> <7652B11D-9B9F-45EA-9465-8294B701FE7C@sb.org> <8AC4CC86-A711-483D-9F9C-5F8497006A1D@sb.org> <478F99E7.1050503@web.de> <7vr6gedgk9.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Linus Torvalds , Peter Karlsson , Mark Junker , Pedro Melo , "git@vger.kernel.org" To: Junio C Hamano X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Fri Jan 18 21:51:49 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JFyBc-0000IZ-FJ for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:51:36 +0100 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1762123AbYARUuo (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:50:44 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1760029AbYARUun (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:50:43 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:35538 "HELO mail.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1760838AbYARUum (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:50:42 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 18 Jan 2008 20:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [138.251.11.74]) [138.251.11.74] by mail.gmx.net (mp009) with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 21:50:40 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1490710 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/IpcMrf8PIJXhfvXpW6yYoAIv/N2yHid5jIKnaZT 5dQJcYxDE4PbWj X-X-Sender: gene099@racer.site In-Reply-To: <7vr6gedgk9.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Alpine 1.00 (LSU 882 2007-12-20) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Hi, On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, Junio C Hamano wrote: > Linus Torvalds writes: > > > On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, Peter Karlsson wrote: > >> > >> But they are not different strings, they are canonically equivalent as > >> far as Unicode is concerned. > > > > Fuck me with a spoon. > > > > Why the hell cannot people see that "equivalent" and "same" are two > > totally different meanings. > > Could people _please_ stop this already? Welcome, voice of reason. > I think the sane people see the difference between equivalence > and sameness, and we established that a filesystem that mangles > the filenames behind user's back is a bad design. Anybody who > followed the thread and still does not agree with you is, eh, > "ugly-and-stupid", as you might say ;-). You cannot educate > them all. Actually, I see some value in calling them names, see http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645 for why. > The thing is, even if you mange to educate them all, that broken > filesystem, and other filesystems with similar brokenness, do not go > away. I was almost starting with hacking on this, but then the discussion annoyed me too much, and I asked myself for who I think I'd do this. IMHO those people should ask "how could I begin to work on this". Instead, they started a useless flamewar. Now, back to the issue: Robin posted a link to his UTF-8 work. While it is way too intrusive, and not limited to filenames at all, I think it has a few good pointers. Ciao, Dscho "who needs to calm down now"