From: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Johannes Sixt <j6t@kdbg.org>, Ben Knoble <ben.knoble@gmail.com>,
Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
"brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
"Randall S. Becker" <randall.becker@nexbridge.ca>,
Phillip Wood <phillip.wood@dunelm.org.uk>,
Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] Reintroduce writev(3p)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2026 08:28:50 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <anQpop92SCAA2C9z@pks.im> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqa4r0payv.fsf@gitster.g>
On Wed, Aug 05, 2026 at 01:29:44PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Johannes Sixt <j6t@kdbg.org> writes:
>
> > Am 05.08.26 um 20:40 schrieb Junio C Hamano:
> >> I think it is OK to explicitly document that any writev(2) emulation
> >> is allowed to be non-atomic, and it is also OK to declare that using
> >> writev(2) in this application to allow competing writes to the same
> >> destination is a bug.
> >
> > These are fine.
> >
> > But I'm not worried about current uses of writev, I'm worried about
> > future uses: "Look, we already use writev elsewhere. Let's use it here,
> > too, where we can take adavantage of the atomicity of the write." It's
> > too easy to miss a note about non-atomic emulations when the function
> > name advertises more than can be guaranteed. For this reason, I strongly
> > suggest to use a different name.
>
> That is why I added the "it is also OK to declare" in the above.
We could of course trivially restore the non-interleaving property by
only ever writing the first iovec. POSIX doesn't guarantee that the full
iovec is being written, and write(3p) is already non-interleaving. It
wouldn't even be less efficient compared to the current implementation,
as we have to loop around write(3p) anyway in our compatibility wrapper.
Patrick
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-06 6:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-16 7:52 [PATCH 0/5] Reintroduce writev(3p) Patrick Steinhardt
2026-07-16 7:52 ` [PATCH 1/5] compat/posix: introduce writev(3p) wrapper Patrick Steinhardt
2026-07-16 8:47 ` Simon Richter
2026-07-16 20:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-07-16 20:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-08-05 8:30 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-07-16 7:52 ` [PATCH 2/5] wrapper: introduce writev(3p) wrappers Patrick Steinhardt
2026-07-16 7:52 ` [PATCH 3/5] wrapper: properly handle MAX_IO_SIZE in writev(3p) Patrick Steinhardt
2026-07-16 7:52 ` [PATCH 4/5] sideband: use writev(3p) to send pktlines Patrick Steinhardt
2026-07-16 7:52 ` [PATCH 5/5] fast-import: use writev(3p) to send cat-blob responses Patrick Steinhardt
2026-07-16 18:56 ` [PATCH 0/5] Reintroduce writev(3p) Johannes Sixt
2026-07-27 15:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-08-05 8:30 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-08-05 16:36 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-08-05 17:55 ` Johannes Sixt
2026-08-05 18:40 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-08-05 20:00 ` Johannes Sixt
2026-08-05 20:29 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-08-06 6:28 ` Patrick Steinhardt [this message]
2026-08-06 20:26 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-08-07 6:29 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-08-07 6:18 ` [PATCH v2 " Patrick Steinhardt
2026-08-07 6:18 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] compat/posix: introduce writev(3p) wrapper Patrick Steinhardt
2026-08-07 6:18 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] wrapper: introduce writev(3p) wrappers Patrick Steinhardt
2026-08-07 6:18 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] wrapper: properly handle MAX_IO_SIZE in writev(3p) Patrick Steinhardt
2026-08-07 6:18 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] sideband: use writev(3p) to send pktlines Patrick Steinhardt
2026-08-07 6:18 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] fast-import: use writev(3p) to send cat-blob responses Patrick Steinhardt
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