From: Michael Witten <mfwitten@gmail.com>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
David Abrahams <dave@boostpro.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [doc] User Manual Suggestion
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:45:46 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b4087cc50904231345x2613308eh640e50f4a2680890@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090423201636.GD3056@coredump.intra.peff.net>
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 15:16, Jeff King <peff@peff.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 01:37:05PM -0500, Michael Witten wrote:
>
>> Everyone talks about "before one has the conceptual foundation
>> necessary to understand". Well, here's an idea: The git documentation
>> should start with the concepts!
>>
>> Why don't the docs start out defining blobs and trees and the object
>> database and references into that database? The reason everything is
>> so confusing is that the understanding is brushed under the tutorial
>> rug. People need to learn how to think before they can effectively
>> learn to start doing.
>
> I agree with you, but not everyone does (and you can find prior debates
> in the list archives). The user-manual is pretty "top down". There are
> some "bottom-up" resources available, but I haven't seen one pointed to
> as "definitive".I think it might actually be nice for there to be a
> parallel to the user manual that follows the bottom-up approach, and
> people could read the one that appeals most to them (or if they have a
> lot of time on their hands, read both and hopefully it makes sense in
> the middle ;) ).
I think the main problem, then, is that the tools have a UI that is
somewhere in the middle.
However, a discussion of blobs, trees, commits, objects, and
references isn't necessarily low-level. It seems to me that it is a
high-level understanding of the git world. Without those
*definitions*, people are left to their own wrong, inconsistent
thoughts.
The low-level stuff is HOW those concepts have been used in the
implementation of git: Where certain files are stored, how certain
bytes are organized in memory, what are the underlying porcelain
tools, etc. That what's low-level.
> But we would need somebody to volunteer to write it. I would be happy to
> help out, but I'm too short on time at the moment to be the driving
> force.
Maybe I'll try to write something, but it won't take place quickly,
either. I'd want to read ALL of the existing documentation first.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-04-23 20:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-04-22 19:38 [doc] User Manual Suggestion David Abrahams
2009-04-23 17:57 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-23 18:37 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-23 20:16 ` Jeff King
2009-04-23 20:45 ` Michael Witten [this message]
2009-04-23 21:31 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 0:31 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 14:18 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 14:20 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-24 17:28 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 18:15 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 19:00 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 20:24 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 21:06 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 22:45 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-25 0:39 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-26 23:35 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-24 14:11 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 14:30 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 14:33 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 15:04 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 15:18 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 17:38 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-24 18:27 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 18:35 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <34BD51FF-0908-48A8-BBBC-E27B0EFB32E5@boostpro.com>
2009-04-24 18:52 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-25 10:35 ` Felipe Contreras
2009-04-24 19:12 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-23 21:26 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-23 22:51 ` Johan Herland
2009-04-24 0:30 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 20:30 ` Johan Herland
2009-04-24 21:34 ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-04-24 21:38 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 22:18 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 22:25 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 23:11 ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-04-24 23:14 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 23:18 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 23:31 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 23:35 ` Jeff King
2009-04-25 0:19 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25 10:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2009-04-24 23:26 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25 18:55 ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-04-25 19:16 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25 19:24 ` Felipe Contreras
2009-04-25 19:36 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-25 20:53 ` Felipe Contreras
2009-04-26 11:28 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-26 13:55 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-26 17:56 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-26 20:17 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-26 22:25 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-27 1:41 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-27 16:30 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-27 16:52 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-26 16:36 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-26 18:12 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-26 20:20 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-25 0:41 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 23:16 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-25 0:01 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25 0:48 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-26 22:42 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-02 15:53 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-02 18:36 ` Michael Witten
2009-05-02 21:11 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-02 23:13 ` Michael Witten
2009-05-02 23:32 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-03 1:10 ` Michael Witten
2009-05-03 1:48 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-03 1:18 ` Mark Lodato
2009-05-03 1:26 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 23:21 ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-04-24 23:25 ` Jeff King
2009-04-26 23:41 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-24 23:29 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-27 0:00 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-25 0:19 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-25 0:26 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25 0:35 ` Jeff King
2009-04-25 0:53 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-29 6:34 ` Jeff King
2009-04-29 13:27 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-29 14:05 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 2:29 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-24 2:34 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 4:06 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 14:10 ` J. Bruce Fields
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