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From: Michael Witten <mfwitten@gmail.com>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: Daniel Barkalow <barkalow@iabervon.org>,
	Johan Herland <johan@herland.net>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, David Abrahams <dave@boostpro.com>,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Subject: Re: [doc] User Manual Suggestion
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:18:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b4087cc50904241518w625a9890vecdd36bb937e76d5@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090424213848.GA14493@coredump.intra.peff.net>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 16:38, Jeff King <peff@peff.net> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 05:34:00PM -0400, Daniel Barkalow wrote:
>
>> I'd say that blobs and trees are an implementation detail of "the full
>> content of a version of the project", not something conceptually
>> important. Likewise, the date representation used in commits isn't
> ...
> No, that isn't critical for understanding how _commit_ operations work,
> but I think that is exactly the sort of conceptual knowledge that let
> people use git more fully.

I think the key conlusion here is that the main concepts are *objects*
and references to those objects. One type of object is not necessarily
more low-level or high-level than another type of object; each type of
object is the most important type of object for a particular task in
or view of the git world.

> I disagree. I think it's important to note that trees and blobs have a
> name, and you can refer to them. Once you know that, the fact that you
> can do:
>
>  git show master
>  git show master:Documentation
>  git show master:Makefile
>
> just makes sense. You are always just specifying an object, but the type
> is different for each (and show "does the right thing" based on object
> type).

In fact, I think it's important to note that the notation:

    git show master:Makefile

actually involves a translation from a Unix filesystem address to a
git object address that is then used to find the relevant data.

In fact, I think masking this kind of thing with a catch-all word
'reference' is a bad idea. Rather than being hidden, it should be
exposed: I think it would be beneficial to use the word 'address'
rather than 'reference' when talking about the SHA-1 names. Then HEAD
could be called a pointer variable, etc.

So, a pointer variable's value is an object address that is the
location of an object in git 'memory'. I think using this approach
would make things significantly more transparent.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-24 22:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-22 19:38 [doc] User Manual Suggestion David Abrahams
2009-04-23 17:57 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-23 18:37   ` Michael Witten
2009-04-23 20:16     ` Jeff King
2009-04-23 20:45       ` Michael Witten
2009-04-23 21:31         ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24  0:31           ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 14:18           ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 14:20             ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-24 17:28             ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 18:15               ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 19:00                 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 20:24                   ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 21:06                     ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 22:45                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-25  0:39                         ` David Abrahams
2009-04-26 23:35                           ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-24 14:11         ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 14:30           ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 14:33             ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 15:04             ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 15:18               ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 17:38                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-24 18:27                   ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 18:35                     ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                   ` <34BD51FF-0908-48A8-BBBC-E27B0EFB32E5@boostpro.com>
2009-04-24 18:52                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-25 10:35                       ` Felipe Contreras
2009-04-24 19:12                   ` Michael Witten
2009-04-23 21:26       ` David Abrahams
2009-04-23 22:51         ` Johan Herland
2009-04-24  0:30           ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 20:30             ` Johan Herland
2009-04-24 21:34               ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-04-24 21:38                 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 22:18                   ` Michael Witten [this message]
2009-04-24 22:25                     ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 23:11                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-04-24 23:14                         ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 23:18                           ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 23:31                           ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 23:35                             ` Jeff King
2009-04-25  0:19                               ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25 10:18                           ` Felipe Contreras
2009-04-24 23:26                         ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25 18:55                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-04-25 19:16                             ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25 19:24                               ` Felipe Contreras
2009-04-25 19:36                                 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-25 20:53                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2009-04-26 11:28                                   ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-26 13:55                                     ` David Abrahams
2009-04-26 17:56                                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-26 20:17                                         ` David Abrahams
2009-04-26 22:25                                           ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-27  1:41                                             ` David Abrahams
2009-04-27 16:30                                             ` David Abrahams
2009-04-27 16:52                                               ` Michael Witten
2009-04-26 16:36                                     ` Michael Witten
2009-04-26 18:12                                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-26 20:20                                         ` David Abrahams
2009-04-25  0:41                         ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 23:16                     ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-25  0:01                       ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25  0:48                         ` David Abrahams
2009-04-26 22:42                           ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-02 15:53                         ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-02 18:36                           ` Michael Witten
2009-05-02 21:11                             ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-02 23:13                               ` Michael Witten
2009-05-02 23:32                                 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-03  1:10                                   ` Michael Witten
2009-05-03  1:48                                     ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-03  1:18                                 ` Mark Lodato
2009-05-03  1:26                                   ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 23:21                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-04-24 23:25                     ` Jeff King
2009-04-26 23:41                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-24 23:29                     ` Michael Witten
2009-04-27  0:00                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-25  0:19                   ` David Abrahams
2009-04-25  0:26                     ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25  0:35                     ` Jeff King
2009-04-25  0:53                       ` David Abrahams
2009-04-29  6:34                         ` Jeff King
2009-04-29 13:27                           ` David Abrahams
2009-04-29 14:05                             ` Jeff King
2009-04-24  2:29     ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-24  2:34       ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24  4:06       ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 14:10         ` J. Bruce Fields

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