From: Michael Witten <mfwitten@gmail.com>
To: Daniel Barkalow <barkalow@iabervon.org>
Cc: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Johan Herland <johan@herland.net>,
git@vger.kernel.org, David Abrahams <dave@boostpro.com>,
"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Subject: Re: [doc] User Manual Suggestion
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:26:06 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b4087cc50904241626h166c6b3bqa4ec714d4cb5662a@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.0904241852500.2147@iabervon.org>
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 18:11, Daniel Barkalow <barkalow@iabervon.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Michael Witten wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 17:18, Michael Witten <mfwitten@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > In fact, I think masking this kind of thing with a catch-all word
>> > 'reference' is a bad idea. Rather than being hidden, it should be
>> > exposed: I think it would be beneficial to use the word 'address'
>> > rather than 'reference' when talking about the SHA-1 names. Then HEAD
>> > could be called a pointer variable, etc.
>> >
>> > So, a pointer variable's value is an object address that is the
>> > location of an object in git 'memory'. I think using this approach
>> > would make things significantly more transparent.
>>
>> In fact, it's not particularly important that SHA-1 is used to compute
>> the address into git memory. The only thing that's important is that
>> the address is determined by content alone (I'm not even sure that
>> specifying that the address is a cryptographically sound hash of the
>> content is important; shouldn't that follow from the declaration that
>> it must be uniquely based on content alone?); the fact that's a SHA-1
>> is purely an implementation detail, and so it shouldn't appear
>> prominently in the documentation.
>>
>> So, what do you say?
>>
>> Let's start a reformation of the git terminology to use analogies that
>> have been around since the dawn of computing: 'memory', 'address', and
>> 'pointer'.
>
> I actually think calling them "sha1s" is better, simply because this bit
> of jargon doesn't mean anything else (git deals with email, so "address"
> is overloaded).
I don't know if I buy that reason; the human brain is pretty good with context.
I would at least like 'location' better.
> And the term is already in use for this particular case,
> and it doesn't mean anything else at all (since, of course, the crypto
> thing is "SHA-1", not "sha1"), and it's short (which is important for
> making it easy to look at usage help).
What happens when SHA-1 is shown to be broken or there is a better
alternative? Then we'll see "sha1 for historical reasons"... bleh!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-04-24 23:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-04-22 19:38 [doc] User Manual Suggestion David Abrahams
2009-04-23 17:57 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-23 18:37 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-23 20:16 ` Jeff King
2009-04-23 20:45 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-23 21:31 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 0:31 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 14:18 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 14:20 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-24 17:28 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 18:15 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 19:00 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 20:24 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 21:06 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 22:45 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-25 0:39 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-26 23:35 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-24 14:11 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 14:30 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 14:33 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 15:04 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 15:18 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 17:38 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-24 18:27 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 18:35 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <34BD51FF-0908-48A8-BBBC-E27B0EFB32E5@boostpro.com>
2009-04-24 18:52 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-25 10:35 ` Felipe Contreras
2009-04-24 19:12 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-23 21:26 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-23 22:51 ` Johan Herland
2009-04-24 0:30 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 20:30 ` Johan Herland
2009-04-24 21:34 ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-04-24 21:38 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 22:18 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 22:25 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 23:11 ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-04-24 23:14 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 23:18 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 23:31 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 23:35 ` Jeff King
2009-04-25 0:19 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25 10:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2009-04-24 23:26 ` Michael Witten [this message]
2009-04-25 18:55 ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-04-25 19:16 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25 19:24 ` Felipe Contreras
2009-04-25 19:36 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-25 20:53 ` Felipe Contreras
2009-04-26 11:28 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-26 13:55 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-26 17:56 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-26 20:17 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-26 22:25 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-27 1:41 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-27 16:30 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-27 16:52 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-26 16:36 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-26 18:12 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-26 20:20 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-25 0:41 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 23:16 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-25 0:01 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25 0:48 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-26 22:42 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-02 15:53 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-02 18:36 ` Michael Witten
2009-05-02 21:11 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-02 23:13 ` Michael Witten
2009-05-02 23:32 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-03 1:10 ` Michael Witten
2009-05-03 1:48 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-03 1:18 ` Mark Lodato
2009-05-03 1:26 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 23:21 ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-04-24 23:25 ` Jeff King
2009-04-26 23:41 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-24 23:29 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-27 0:00 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-25 0:19 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-25 0:26 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25 0:35 ` Jeff King
2009-04-25 0:53 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-29 6:34 ` Jeff King
2009-04-29 13:27 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-29 14:05 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 2:29 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-24 2:34 ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 4:06 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 14:10 ` J. Bruce Fields
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