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From: "Sverre Rabbelier" <alturin@gmail.com>
To: "Ray Lee" <ray-lk@madrabbit.org>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	"David Newall" <davidn@davidnewall.com>,
	"Jesper Juhl" <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Willy Tarreau" <w@1wt.eu>,
	david@lang.hm, "Stephen Clark" <sclark46@earthlink.net>,
	"Evgeniy Polyakov" <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
	"Tilman Schmidt" <tilman@imap.cc>,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, "Mark Lord" <lkml@rtr.ca>,
	"David Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org, jeff@garzik.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Reporting bugs and bisection
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:57:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bd6139dc0804171257l5f875694yb57105ba40170789@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2c0942db0804171235o49238b99u6cdbd3e5c8d6ebb7@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Ray Lee <ray-lk@madrabbit.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@sisk.pl> wrote:
>  >  > Finger-pointing, in these extreme cases, gives incentive to improve
>  >  > quality.  It's a positive thing.
>  >
>  >  Sorry, but I have to disagree.  Negative finger-pointing is never a good thing.
>
>  Correct, but let's be careful here. The original suggestion was,
>  effectively, to get better metrics on the quality of contributions.
>  Those metrics *could* be used for finger pointing, or (my preference)
>  they could be used to direct and allocate our scarce resources: code
>  reviews and mentoring.

Exactly!

>  There's no way to know what the metrics will tell us until we have
>  them. Arguing against metrics because they *may* be used to point
>  fingers at people is a silly argument; anything can be subverted to do
>  that.

Thank you, that should have been said before, you worded it perfectly.

>  Let's get some measurements and see what they say. In the meantime,
>  try to believe that they could be put to good purposes, such as
>  identifying code areas that are tricky for contributors to get right
>  (independent of contributor), or contributors that could benefit from
>  code reviews, etc.

This especially is an area that I plan to focus on and should be very
reliable when finished. As can be read in my application, I plan to
look at how often a piece of code is changed, in what timespan and by
how many different authors.

Thanks for the reply!

Cheers,

Sverre

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-17 19:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]         ` <48028830.6020703@earthlink.net>
2008-04-13 23:51           ` Reporting bugs and bisection david
2008-04-14  0:36             ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-14  4:39             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14  5:39               ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  6:24                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  6:39                   ` David Miller
2008-04-14  6:43                     ` David Miller
2008-04-14  7:23                   ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  7:43                     ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  8:04                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  8:30                       ` David Miller
2008-04-14  9:06                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14  9:46                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15  5:25                           ` Bill Fink
2008-04-14 10:15                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 10:41                           ` David Miller
2008-04-14 17:35                             ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-04-14 12:08                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14 14:43                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 17:51                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 18:24                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 19:30                           ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-14 15:54                     ` James Morris
2008-04-14 22:01                       ` David Miller
2008-04-14 23:05                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15  4:55                           ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-15 13:18                             ` Work WAS(Re: " jamal
2008-04-15  9:33                       ` David Newall
2008-04-15  9:54                         ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-04-15 14:04                           ` David Newall
2008-04-15 20:51                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16  2:34                               ` David Newall
2008-04-16  3:53                                 ` david
2008-04-16  9:06                                   ` David Newall
2008-04-16 11:02                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-16 12:41                                   ` Stephen Clark
2008-04-16  4:29                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 12:13                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16 12:15                         ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 13:26                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:02                             ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-16 19:43                               ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 19:55                               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-17 13:50                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-04-17 15:26                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:58                               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-04-16 20:01                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 19:39                             ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 20:16                               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:53                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 21:05                                   ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 21:25                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:04                             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 20:55                               ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-16 21:17                           ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-17 17:04                             ` David Newall
2008-04-17 19:09                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-17 19:35                                 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 19:57                                   ` Sverre Rabbelier [this message]
2008-04-17 20:16                                   ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 20:38                                     ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 20:53                                       ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 21:01                                         ` Ray Lee
2008-04-14 19:13                   ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 20:38                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 22:18                       ` Rene Herman

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