From: "Sverre Rabbelier" <alturin@gmail.com>
To: "Ray Lee" <ray-lk@madrabbit.org>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
"David Newall" <davidn@davidnewall.com>,
"Jesper Juhl" <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
"Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Willy Tarreau" <w@1wt.eu>,
david@lang.hm, "Stephen Clark" <sclark46@earthlink.net>,
"Evgeniy Polyakov" <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
"Tilman Schmidt" <tilman@imap.cc>,
Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, "Mark Lord" <lkml@rtr.ca>,
"David Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org, jeff@garzik.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Reporting bugs and bisection
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:57:06 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <bd6139dc0804171257l5f875694yb57105ba40170789@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2c0942db0804171235o49238b99u6cdbd3e5c8d6ebb7@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Ray Lee <ray-lk@madrabbit.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@sisk.pl> wrote:
> > > Finger-pointing, in these extreme cases, gives incentive to improve
> > > quality. It's a positive thing.
> >
> > Sorry, but I have to disagree. Negative finger-pointing is never a good thing.
>
> Correct, but let's be careful here. The original suggestion was,
> effectively, to get better metrics on the quality of contributions.
> Those metrics *could* be used for finger pointing, or (my preference)
> they could be used to direct and allocate our scarce resources: code
> reviews and mentoring.
Exactly!
> There's no way to know what the metrics will tell us until we have
> them. Arguing against metrics because they *may* be used to point
> fingers at people is a silly argument; anything can be subverted to do
> that.
Thank you, that should have been said before, you worded it perfectly.
> Let's get some measurements and see what they say. In the meantime,
> try to believe that they could be put to good purposes, such as
> identifying code areas that are tricky for contributors to get right
> (independent of contributor), or contributors that could benefit from
> code reviews, etc.
This especially is an area that I plan to focus on and should be very
reliable when finished. As can be read in my application, I plan to
look at how often a piece of code is changed, in what timespan and by
how many different authors.
Thanks for the reply!
Cheers,
Sverre
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2008-04-13 23:51 ` Reporting bugs and bisection david
2008-04-14 0:36 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-14 4:39 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14 5:39 ` Al Viro
2008-04-14 6:24 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 6:39 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 6:43 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 7:23 ` Al Viro
2008-04-14 7:43 ` Al Viro
2008-04-14 8:04 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 8:30 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 9:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14 9:46 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 5:25 ` Bill Fink
2008-04-14 10:15 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 10:41 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 17:35 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-04-14 12:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14 14:43 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 17:51 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 18:24 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 19:30 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-14 15:54 ` James Morris
2008-04-14 22:01 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 23:05 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15 4:55 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-15 13:18 ` Work WAS(Re: " jamal
2008-04-15 9:33 ` David Newall
2008-04-15 9:54 ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-04-15 14:04 ` David Newall
2008-04-15 20:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16 2:34 ` David Newall
2008-04-16 3:53 ` david
2008-04-16 9:06 ` David Newall
2008-04-16 11:02 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-16 12:41 ` Stephen Clark
2008-04-16 4:29 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 12:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16 12:15 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 13:26 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:02 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-16 19:43 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 19:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-17 13:50 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-04-17 15:26 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:58 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-04-16 20:01 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 19:39 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 20:16 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:53 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 21:05 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 21:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:04 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 20:55 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-16 21:17 ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-17 17:04 ` David Newall
2008-04-17 19:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-17 19:35 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 19:57 ` Sverre Rabbelier [this message]
2008-04-17 20:16 ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 20:38 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 20:53 ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 21:01 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-14 19:13 ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 20:38 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 22:18 ` Rene Herman
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