From: "Sverre Rabbelier" <alturin@gmail.com>
To: "Andreas Ericsson" <ae@op5.se>
Cc: "Russ Dill" <russ.dill@gmail.com>,
"Henrik Austad" <henrikau@orakel.ntnu.no>,
"Daniel Barkalow" <barkalow@iabervon.org>,
git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: About git and the use of SHA-1
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:05:46 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <bd6139dc0804290405w4a7a94a7s15a85285b2122f2f@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4816CC80.9080705@op5.se>
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Andreas Ericsson <ae@op5.se> wrote:
> Russ Dill wrote:
> If the server is hacked and objects are replaced, they will either
> no longer match their cryptographic signature, meaning they'll be
> new objects or git will determine that they are corrupt, or they
We were assuming here that once SHA-1 is broken really determined
hackers will be able to come up with objects that -do- match the
SHA-1, so the above is not relevant.
> *will* match an existing object, but then that object won't be
> propagated to other repositories since git refuses to overwrite
> already existing objects. [...]
What about new users cloning the repo? They're just out of luck? I
don't think this argument holds, if we want to 'advertise' that git is
cryptographically secure we can do so only as long as our hashing
algorithm is. (As such, should SHA-1 ever be fully broken we'd need to
either switch to another algorithm or stop advertising being
cryptographically secure.)
> [...] Either way, gits refusal to overwrite
> objects it already has plays a part in making malicious actions
> futile, since malicious code is only worth something if it's
> propagated and actually used.
Of course this is true, it makes it a lot harder to do damage, but it
doesn't eliminate the problem, it's just a free 'extra protection'.
Yes, malicious code is only worth something if it's propagated and
actually used, no, it is not impossible to do so in git if/when SHA-1
turns out to have collisions every other file.
--
Cheers,
Sverre Rabbelier
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-29 11:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-28 16:29 About git and the use of SHA-1 Henrik Austad
2008-04-28 19:34 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-28 21:29 ` Henrik Austad
2008-04-28 22:15 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-29 6:38 ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-04-29 7:09 ` Russ Dill
2008-04-29 7:21 ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-04-29 11:05 ` Sverre Rabbelier [this message]
2008-04-29 12:27 ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-04-29 13:05 ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-04-29 14:37 ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-04-29 14:52 ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-04-29 16:24 ` Russ Dill
2008-04-29 12:46 ` Jurko Gospodnetić
2008-04-29 16:21 ` Russ Dill
2008-04-29 15:34 ` Geoffrey Irving
2008-04-29 16:27 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-29 12:41 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-04-29 14:41 ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-04-29 15:42 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-04-29 15:59 ` Geoffrey Irving
2008-04-29 16:39 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-04-29 17:48 ` Geoffrey Irving
2008-04-29 17:55 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-04-29 18:02 ` Geoffrey Irving
2008-04-29 18:41 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-29 20:31 ` Geoffrey Irving
2008-04-29 20:50 ` Fredrik Skolmli
2008-04-29 21:39 ` Geoffrey Irving
2008-04-29 21:52 ` Fredrik Skolmli
2008-04-30 2:58 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-04-30 5:18 ` Geoffrey Irving
2008-04-30 5:47 ` David Brown
2008-04-30 5:56 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-04-29 18:17 ` Matthieu Moy
2008-04-29 18:23 ` Fredrik Skolmli
2008-04-29 15:02 ` Tom Widmer
2008-04-29 17:08 ` Tom Widmer
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