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From: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
To: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, dstolee@microsoft.com,
	git@jeffhostetler.com, peff@peff.net, gitster@pobox.com,
	johannes.schindelin@gmx.de, jrnieder@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/18] Multi-pack index (MIDX)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 19:08:54 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c08416f1-bbec-2037-34a6-f454d85de439@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k1wtb8a4.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com>

On 1/7/2018 5:42 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Jan 07 2018, Derrick Stolee jotted:
> 
>>      git log --oneline --raw --parents
>>
>> Num Packs | Before MIDX | After MIDX |  Rel % | 1 pack %
>> ----------+-------------+------------+--------+----------
>>          1 |     35.64 s |    35.28 s |  -1.0% |   -1.0%
>>         24 |     90.81 s |    40.06 s | -55.9% |  +12.4%
>>        127 |    257.97 s |    42.25 s | -83.6% |  +18.6%
>>
>> The last column is the relative difference between the MIDX-enabled repo
>> and the single-pack repo. The goal of the MIDX feature is to present the
>> ODB as if it was fully repacked, so there is still room for improvement.
>>
>> Changing the command to
>>
>>      git log --oneline --raw --parents --abbrev=40
>>
>> has no observable difference (sub 1% change in all cases). This is likely
>> due to the repack I used putting commits and trees in a small number of
>> packfiles so the MRU cache workes very well. On more naturally-created
>> lists of packfiles, there can be up to 20% improvement on this command.
>>
>> We are using a version of this patch with an upcoming release of GVFS.
>> This feature is particularly important in that space since GVFS performs
>> a "prefetch" step that downloads a pack of commits and trees on a daily
>> basis. These packfiles are placed in an alternate that is shared by all
>> enlistments. Some users have 150+ packfiles and the MRU misses and
>> abbreviation computations are significant. Now, GVFS manages the MIDX file
>> after adding new prefetch packfiles using the following command:
>>
>>      git midx --write --update-head --delete-expired --pack-dir=<alt>
> 
> (Not a critique of this, just a (stupid) question)
> 
> What's the practical use-case for this feature? Since it doesn't help
> with --abbrev=40 the speedup is all in the part that ensures we don't
> show an ambiguous SHA-1.

The point of including the --abbrev=40 is to point out that object 
lookups do not get slower with the MIDX feature. Using these "git log" 
options is a good way to balance object lookups and abbreviations with 
object parsing and diff machinery. And while the public data shape I 
shared did not show a difference, our private testing of the Windows 
repository did show a valuable improvement when isolating to object 
lookups and ignoring abbreviation calculations.

> The reason we do that at all is because it makes for a prettier UI.

We tried setting core.abbrev=40 on GVFS enlistments to speed up 
performance and the users rebelled against the hideous output. They 
would rather have slower speeds than long hashes.

> Are there things that both want the pretty SHA-1 and also care about the
> throughput? I'd have expected machine parsing to just use
> --no-abbrev-commit.

The --raw flag outputs blob hashes, so the --abbrev=40 covers all hashes.

> If something cares about both throughput and e.g. is saving the
> abbreviated SHA-1s isn't it better off picking some arbitrary size
> (e.g. --abbrev=20), after all the default abbreviation is going to show
> something as small as possible, which may soon become ambigous after the
> next commit.

Unfortunately, with the way the abbreviation algorithms work, using 
--abbrev=20 will have similar performance problems because you still 
need to inspect all packfiles to ensure there isn't a collision in the 
first 20 hex characters.

Thanks,
-Stolee



  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-08  0:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-07 18:14 [RFC PATCH 00/18] Multi-pack index (MIDX) Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 01/18] docs: Multi-Pack Index (MIDX) Design Notes Derrick Stolee
2018-01-08 19:32   ` Jonathan Tan
2018-01-08 20:35     ` Derrick Stolee
2018-01-08 22:06       ` Jonathan Tan
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 02/18] midx: specify midx file format Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 03/18] midx: create core.midx config setting Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 04/18] midx: write multi-pack indexes for an object list Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 05/18] midx: create midx builtin with --write mode Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 06/18] midx: add t5318-midx.sh test script Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 07/18] midx: teach midx --write to update midx-head Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 08/18] midx: teach git-midx to read midx file details Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 09/18] midx: find details of nth object in midx Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 10/18] midx: use existing midx when writing Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 11/18] midx: teach git-midx to clear midx files Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 12/18] midx: teach git-midx to delete expired files Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 13/18] t5318-midx.h: confirm git actions are stable Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 14/18] midx: load midx files when loading packs Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 15/18] midx: use midx for approximate object count Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 16/18] midx: nth_midxed_object_oid() and bsearch_midx() Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 17/18] sha1_name: use midx for abbreviations Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 18/18] packfile: use midx for object loads Derrick Stolee
2018-01-07 22:42 ` [RFC PATCH 00/18] Multi-pack index (MIDX) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-01-08  0:08   ` Derrick Stolee [this message]
2018-01-08 10:20     ` Jeff King
2018-01-08 10:27       ` Jeff King
2018-01-08 12:28         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-01-08 13:43       ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-01-09  6:50         ` Jeff King
2018-01-09 13:05           ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-01-09 19:51             ` Stefan Beller
2018-01-09 20:12               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-01-09 20:16                 ` Stefan Beller
2018-01-09 21:31                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-01-10 17:05               ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-01-10 10:57             ` Jeff King
2018-01-08 13:43       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-01-09  7:12         ` Jeff King
2018-01-08 11:43     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-06-06  8:13     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-06-06 10:27       ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] unconditional O(1) SHA-1 abbreviation Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-06-06 10:27       ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] config.c: use braces on multiple conditional arms Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-06-06 10:27       ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] sha1-name: add core.validateAbbrev & relative core.abbrev Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-06-06 12:04         ` Christian Couder
2018-06-06 11:24       ` [RFC PATCH 00/18] Multi-pack index (MIDX) Derrick Stolee
2018-01-10 18:25 ` Martin Fick
2018-01-10 19:39   ` Derrick Stolee
2018-01-10 21:01     ` Martin Fick

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