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From: Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>, Julia Evans <julia@jvns.ca>
Cc: phillip.wood@dunelm.org.uk, Julia Evans <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "D. Ben Knoble" <ben.knoble@gmail.com>,
	Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>,
	Karthik Nayak <karthik.188@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/5] doc: git-rebase: clarify DESCRIPTION section
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 11:25:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c9a4d7ef-8cdf-4d5b-b0af-f43ffc6b7450@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqq5xepzjnu.fsf@gitster.g>

On 14/08/2025 22:18, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> "Julia Evans" <julia@jvns.ca> writes:
> 
>>> well given they're also both pretty niche. I'd also be very happy to go
>>> with Junio's suggestion to replace steps 1 & 2 with a general
>>> description that does not mention 'git log' at all.
>>
>> I like the idea of leaving out `--fork-point` and `--root`.
>>
>> Now that I know the use case for `--reapply-cherry-picks`: what I like about
>> leaving in the `git log` description is that I think it makes it easier for
>> folks to build a mental model of why a `git rebase` might be slow: there's a
>> "fast step" (the `git log` step) and a "slow step" (the `git patch-id` step).
 >
> But that is not what goes on, is it?  What you wrote as if they were
> two separate steps (1 to enumerate, 2 to filter) is not what happens
> in practice.  Whether it is done via the "format-patch --stdout | am"
> pipeline in run_am(), or via the "rev-list --reverse | xargs -n1
> cherry-pick" pipeline in run_sequencer_rebase(), the upstream of
> these conceptual pipelines that enumerates what is to be replayed is
> run just once, i.e. there is only one step that "enumerates what is
> to be replayed", without a separate filtering step.
> 
> In other words, there is no "a fast step followed by a slow step".

Although the cherry-pick detection happens inside "git log" that command 
has a fast step (find the commits on both sides of the merge base) and a 
slow step (detect cherry-picks) so I think it depends where one draws 
the step boundaries. The cherry-pick detection is known to be slow when 
there are a lot of new upstream commits which was the motivation for 
adding --reapply-cherry-picks in 0fcb4f6b62 (rebase --merge: optionally 
skip upstreamed commits, 2020-04-11)

> Perhaps squashing the first two steps into one and phrasing them as
> a single step is sufficient to give a conceptual overview (what you
> have in v7 as "a simplified description of what the command does").
> 
>   1. Make a list of all commits on your current branch since it
>      branched off from `<upstream>` that do not have equivalent
>      change in `<upstream>`.
> 
> If you want to keep 1 & 2 separate, then rephrase the introductory
> sentence to clarify that we are giving a white lie for the sake of
> easier understanding, e.g.
> 
>      Here is what conceptually happens in "git rebase":

Either of those sounds reasonable to me

Thanks

Phillip


  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-15 10:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-08 15:24 [PATCH 0/5] doc: git-rebase: clarify DESCRIPTION section Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 15:24 ` [PATCH 1/5] doc: git-rebase: start with an example Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 16:30   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-08 17:13     ` Julia Evans
2025-08-08 18:11       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-08 15:24 ` [PATCH 2/5] doc: git rebase: dedup merge conflict discussion Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 17:48   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-08 15:24 ` [PATCH 3/5] doc: git rebase: clarify arguments syntax Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 15:24 ` [PATCH 4/5] doc: git-rebase: move --onto explanation down Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 15:24 ` [PATCH 5/5] doc: git-rebase: update discussion of internals Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 19:15 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] doc: git-rebase: clarify DESCRIPTION section Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 19:15   ` [PATCH v2 1/5] doc: git-rebase: start with an example Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 23:31     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-08 19:15   ` [PATCH v2 2/5] doc: git rebase: dedup merge conflict discussion Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 19:15   ` [PATCH v2 3/5] doc: git rebase: clarify arguments syntax Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 21:09     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-08 19:15   ` [PATCH v2 4/5] doc: git-rebase: move --onto explanation down Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 19:15   ` [PATCH v2 5/5] doc: git-rebase: update discussion of internals Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 21:54     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-08 22:52   ` [PATCH v3 0/5] doc: git-rebase: clarify DESCRIPTION section Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 22:52     ` [PATCH v3 1/5] doc: git-rebase: start with an example Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 22:52     ` [PATCH v3 2/5] doc: git rebase: dedup merge conflict discussion Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 22:52     ` [PATCH v3 3/5] doc: git rebase: clarify arguments syntax Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 22:52     ` [PATCH v3 4/5] doc: git-rebase: move --onto explanation down Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-08 22:52     ` [PATCH v3 5/5] doc: git-rebase: update discussion of internals Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-09  1:14     ` [PATCH v4 0/5] doc: git-rebase: clarify DESCRIPTION section Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-09  1:14       ` [PATCH v4 1/5] doc: git-rebase: start with an example Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-10 15:41         ` Phillip Wood
2025-08-11  8:46         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-11  9:13         ` Karthik Nayak
2025-08-11 12:27           ` Ben Knoble
2025-08-12  9:05             ` Karthik Nayak
2025-08-12 14:30               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-11 13:07           ` Phillip Wood
2025-08-12  9:07             ` Karthik Nayak
2025-08-12 17:07               ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-08-12 18:07                 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-14  7:23                   ` Karthik Nayak
2025-08-09  1:14       ` [PATCH v4 2/5] doc: git rebase: dedup merge conflict discussion Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-11  8:46         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-11 13:02           ` Phillip Wood
2025-08-09  1:14       ` [PATCH v4 3/5] doc: git rebase: clarify arguments syntax Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-09  1:14       ` [PATCH v4 4/5] doc: git-rebase: move --onto explanation down Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-09 14:55         ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-08-09  1:14       ` [PATCH v4 5/5] doc: git-rebase: update discussion of internals Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-10 15:42         ` Phillip Wood
2025-08-13 18:55           ` symmetric difference with --left-only vs. range notation D. Ben Knoble
2025-08-13 21:40             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-11  8:46         ` [PATCH v4 5/5] doc: git-rebase: update discussion of internals Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-11 12:29           ` Ben Knoble
2025-08-11 13:45             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-11 19:34           ` Julia Evans
2025-08-11 20:12       ` [PATCH v5 0/5] doc: git-rebase: clarify DESCRIPTION section Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-11 20:12         ` [PATCH v5 1/5] doc: git-rebase: start with an example Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-11 20:50           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-11 20:12         ` [PATCH v5 2/5] doc: git rebase: dedup merge conflict discussion Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-11 20:12         ` [PATCH v5 3/5] doc: git rebase: clarify arguments syntax Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-11 20:12         ` [PATCH v5 4/5] doc: git-rebase: move --onto explanation down Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-11 20:12         ` [PATCH v5 5/5] doc: git-rebase: update discussion of internals Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-11 21:14           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-11 21:51         ` [PATCH v6 0/5] doc: git-rebase: clarify DESCRIPTION section Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-11 21:51           ` [PATCH v6 1/5] doc: git-rebase: start with an example Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-11 21:51           ` [PATCH v6 2/5] doc: git rebase: dedup merge conflict discussion Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-11 21:51           ` [PATCH v6 3/5] doc: git rebase: clarify arguments syntax Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-11 21:51           ` [PATCH v6 4/5] doc: git-rebase: move --onto explanation down Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-11 21:51           ` [PATCH v6 5/5] doc: git-rebase: update discussion of internals Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-11 22:10             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-11 22:42               ` Julia Evans
2025-08-11 21:59           ` [PATCH v6 0/5] doc: git-rebase: clarify DESCRIPTION section Junio C Hamano
2025-08-12 13:49           ` [PATCH v7 " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-12 13:49             ` [PATCH v7 1/5] doc: git-rebase: start with an example Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-12 13:49             ` [PATCH v7 2/5] doc: git rebase: dedup merge conflict discussion Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-12 13:49             ` [PATCH v7 3/5] doc: git rebase: clarify arguments syntax Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-12 13:49             ` [PATCH v7 4/5] doc: git-rebase: move --onto explanation down Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-12 13:49             ` [PATCH v7 5/5] doc: git-rebase: update discussion of internals Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-14 21:28               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-15 16:52             ` [PATCH v8 0/5] doc: git-rebase: clarify DESCRIPTION section Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15 16:52               ` [PATCH v8 1/5] doc: git-rebase: start with an example Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15 16:52               ` [PATCH v8 2/5] doc: git rebase: dedup merge conflict discussion Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15 16:52               ` [PATCH v8 3/5] doc: git rebase: clarify arguments syntax Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15 16:52               ` [PATCH v8 4/5] doc: git-rebase: move --onto explanation down Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-15 21:05                 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-18 13:42                   ` Phillip Wood
2025-08-18 17:06                     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-19 15:03                       ` Julia Evans
2025-08-19 19:45                         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-15 16:52               ` [PATCH v8 5/5] doc: git-rebase: update discussion of internals Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-18 13:43               ` [PATCH v8 0/5] doc: git-rebase: clarify DESCRIPTION section Phillip Wood
2025-08-23  0:42               ` [PATCH v9 " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  0:42                 ` [PATCH v9 1/5] doc: git-rebase: start with an example Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  0:42                 ` [PATCH v9 2/5] doc: git rebase: dedup merge conflict discussion Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  0:43                 ` [PATCH v9 3/5] doc: git rebase: clarify arguments syntax Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  0:43                 ` [PATCH v9 4/5] doc: git-rebase: move --onto explanation down Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-23  0:43                 ` [PATCH v9 5/5] doc: git-rebase: update discussion of internals Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-13 13:31           ` [PATCH v6 0/5] doc: git-rebase: clarify DESCRIPTION section Phillip Wood
2025-08-13 15:33             ` Julia Evans
2025-08-14 21:18               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-15 10:25                 ` Phillip Wood [this message]
2025-08-15 15:45                   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-15 15:54                     ` Phillip Wood
2025-08-15 15:56                       ` Julia Evans
2025-08-15 10:25               ` Phillip Wood
2025-08-09 15:04   ` [PATCH v2 " D. Ben Knoble

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