From: "David Tweed" <david.tweed@gmail.com>
To: "Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: "Jakub Narebski" <jnareb@gmail.com>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Git User's Survey 2007 unfinished summary continued
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:10:14 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e1dab3980710141410k23debb25mc578eed07c714f11@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0710130130380.25221@racer.site>
On 10/13/07, Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> wrote:
> > Figure out why people find git hard to learn and eliminate those
> > barriers to entry. Make git more task-oriented rather than
> > data-model-oriented the way it is now.
>
> Frankly, expectations like these make me want to bang somebody's head on
> the wall. Why do people expect others to work for them for free? Hard?
Since no-one else has mentioned it, I -- and I suspect some others --
try to use the "beer round" model with FOSS. When I go out for drinks
with people from work, I don't try and keep a precisely tally of who
has bought a drink for me and so whom I shoud buy a drink, and worry
about what how the accounting changes if me or someone goes home
early. I generally take the view that all the imbalances will roughly
balance out over the future. Sure you keep an eye out for complete
freeloaders, but you don't get overexcited about a temporary
imbalance.
Likewise, I will sometimes make suggestions -- hopefully politely --
of various projects where my skills don't fit. (Eg, I'm not going to
add non-trivial features to the git shell scripts because I just don't
know non-trivial shell.) Hopefully some minor patch I've submitted
somewhere has, possibly through helping someone else who's helped
someone else.... , helped you some minuscule amount.
I'm perfectly fine with someone politely saying "no developers are
interested in this, so it won't happen if you don't implement it
yourself", but when you accuse people who just bring up a possible
feature of being free-loaders it makes them question whether other
projects would be more productive places to spend one's time.
It's the difference between being told "I suspect you'll have to do it
yourself" and "how dare you even ask that! do it yourself!".
--
cheers, dave tweed__________________________
david.tweed@gmail.com
Rm 124, School of Systems Engineering, University of Reading.
"we had no idea that when we added templates we were adding a Turing-
complete compile-time language." -- C++ standardisation committee
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Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-10-08 20:55 Git User's Survey 2007 unfinished summary continued Jakub Narebski
2007-10-12 22:08 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-12 23:36 ` Frank Lichtenheld
2007-10-13 0:46 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-13 2:13 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-13 2:53 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-13 12:58 ` Frank Lichtenheld
2007-10-13 13:04 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-13 18:00 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-13 19:59 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-13 20:27 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-13 20:57 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-14 0:36 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-14 1:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-14 1:44 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-14 3:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-14 3:43 ` david
2007-10-14 3:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-14 10:20 ` Reece Dunn
2007-10-14 18:12 ` Steven Grimm
2007-10-14 18:40 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-14 19:25 ` Steven Grimm
2007-10-14 19:50 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-14 20:18 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-14 20:22 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-14 20:24 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-14 19:44 ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-10-15 23:20 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-16 2:48 ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-10-16 10:51 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-14 2:06 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-14 8:45 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-14 9:21 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-14 21:49 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-14 22:08 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-14 22:17 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-14 22:12 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-14 22:15 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-14 22:23 ` Matthew Andrews
2007-10-14 22:30 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-14 21:10 ` David Tweed [this message]
2007-10-19 20:57 ` Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-19 23:27 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-19 23:37 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-22 14:28 ` Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-20 8:03 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-20 10:19 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-20 11:29 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-21 6:08 ` Dmitry Potapov
2007-10-20 23:06 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-20 23:33 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-21 7:17 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-21 22:15 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-22 7:59 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-22 11:04 ` best git practices, was " Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-22 12:44 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-22 13:48 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-22 14:31 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-22 15:00 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-22 15:16 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-22 15:42 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-22 19:36 ` Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-22 23:21 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25 19:04 ` Carl Worth
2007-10-22 23:35 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-23 5:38 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-23 10:58 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-24 18:48 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-24 19:20 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-24 19:41 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-24 19:48 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-24 20:12 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-24 20:33 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-24 21:06 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-24 21:20 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-24 21:28 ` Peter Baumann
2007-10-24 21:47 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-24 22:14 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-24 22:33 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-24 22:38 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-24 22:51 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-24 23:28 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25 6:02 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-25 10:27 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25 12:04 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-25 7:15 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 7:31 ` Peter Baumann
2007-10-25 7:57 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 8:25 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-25 10:17 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25 10:33 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 12:09 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-25 12:58 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25 13:24 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-25 14:58 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 15:21 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-25 17:05 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 18:33 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-10-25 20:18 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-26 6:18 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-26 7:53 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 18:02 ` best git practices, was Re: Git User's Survey 2007 unfinishedsummary continued Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-25 18:04 ` Mike Hommey
2007-10-25 18:18 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-25 18:23 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-25 20:08 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-26 20:01 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-25 16:06 ` Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-25 16:38 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-25 18:06 ` Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-25 18:16 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-25 20:19 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 20:27 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-26 9:17 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-26 4:41 ` [PATCH] Make rebase smarter Steven Walter
2007-10-26 7:42 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-26 9:57 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-26 21:02 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-10-26 23:13 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-26 23:29 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-10-24 21:54 ` best git practices, was Re: Git User's Survey 2007 unfinished summary continued Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-24 22:17 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25 8:07 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 10:12 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25 10:24 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 11:39 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25 12:46 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 14:51 ` Karl Hasselström
2007-10-25 17:10 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 7:26 ` Peter Baumann
2007-10-24 21:16 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-24 20:13 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-24 23:48 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-25 7:42 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 10:07 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25 10:39 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-25 16:16 ` Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-23 7:24 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-22 18:06 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-10-22 13:17 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2007-10-22 13:33 ` David Symonds
2007-10-22 13:38 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-22 17:48 ` Robin Rosenberg
2007-10-23 22:13 ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-22 13:36 ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2007-10-22 15:24 ` best git practices, was Re: Git User's Survey 2007 unfinished summarycontinued Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-24 2:06 ` best git practices, was Re: Git User's Survey 2007 unfinished summary continued Jakub Narebski
2007-10-24 10:29 ` Karl Hasselström
2007-10-24 11:04 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-24 11:31 ` Karl Hasselström
2007-10-24 23:27 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-25 6:10 ` Karl Hasselström
2007-10-24 13:15 ` Catalin Marinas
2007-10-22 12:26 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-22 13:45 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-22 14:29 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-22 14:53 ` Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-22 23:27 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-22 22:53 ` Steven Grimm
2007-10-21 22:12 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-13 3:04 ` Shawn O. Pearce
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