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From: Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com>
To: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH 0/5] Implement 'prior' commit object links (and other commit links ideas)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:36:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e2lmm3$rts$1@sea.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.LNX.4.64.0604251004410.3701@g5.osdl.org

Linus Torvalds wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Jakub Narebski wrote:
>> 
>> The generic commit links "related" which is fsck-able at least and "note"
>> which is not. It is idea somewhat on the level of providing _extended
>> attributes_ in VFS in Linux kernel, IMVHO.
> 
> And nobody actually uses extended attributes either, do they?

Fedora's SELinux does use them, IIRC.

Well, people do use X-* headers in mail (sean's example), and some of them
got promoted from X-* to ordinary mail header status.

> Plus it's _not_ fsck'able, since the thing doesn't even have any valid
> semantics. You guys can't even agree on whether the object must exist or
> not.

Erm, further on we did agree 
  http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/19142
  (Message-Id: <7vmzeax9gj.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net>). 
"related" links means that object must exist. "note" is what name says, just
note and doesn't even need to point to object.

> For exactly the same reason, git should not track it when a developer says
> "I think this commit is related to that commit". It's not hard data, that
> has hard and clear semantics.
> 
> Once you start adding data that has no clear semantics, you're screwed. At
> that point, it's a "track guesses" game, not a "track contents" game.

Well, the best example, i.e. remembering cherry picking has well defined
semantic (added when cherry-picking, used when merging, object does need
not to exist) but not well defined form. Currently the convention for
free-form is used, which has its advantages and disadvantages as pointed
out by Junio.


[somewhat unrelated note]
> Git tracks contents, and the well-defined history of how those contents
> came to be. Git does NOT track "additional notes" left by the developer
> that have weak semantics. Git does not track when a developer says "I
> renamed a file".

But I'd like Git to remember when I corrected false positives in "rename"
detection during merge, and added undetected automatically renames/file
contents copying and/or moving. Whether it would be done by saving the
information in commit header, commit free-for, or somewhere else...

-- 
Jakub Narebski
Warsaw, Poland

  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-25 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-25  3:54 [RFC] [PATCH 0/5] Implement 'prior' commit object links Sam Vilain
2006-04-25  4:31 ` [PATCH 1/5] add 'prior' link in commit structure Sam Vilain
2006-04-25  5:18   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-25  4:31 ` [PATCH 2/5] git-merge-base: follow 'prior' links to find merge bases Sam Vilain
2006-04-25  5:19   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-25  4:31 ` [PATCH 5/5] git-commit: add --prior to set prior link Sam Vilain
2006-04-25  4:31 ` [PATCH 3/5] commit.c: parse 'prior' link Sam Vilain
2006-04-25  4:31 ` [PATCH 4/5] git-commit-tree: add support for prior Sam Vilain
2006-04-25  4:34 ` [RFC] [PATCH 0/5] Implement 'prior' commit object links Sam Vilain
2006-04-25  5:16 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-25 23:19   ` Sam Vilain
2006-04-26  5:06     ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-26  5:22       ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-26  5:36         ` [OT] " Junio C Hamano
2006-04-26  6:35           ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-26  6:50             ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-26  7:22               ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-26  7:50                 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-26  8:44                   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-26  9:21                     ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-26  9:28                   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-26  6:51       ` Sam Vilain
2006-04-25  6:44 ` [RFC] [PATCH 0/5] Implement 'prior' commit object links (and other commit links ideas) Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25  7:29   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-25  7:43     ` Jakub Narebski
     [not found]       ` <20060425043436.2ff53318.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-04-25  8:34         ` sean
     [not found]         ` <20060425045752.0c6fbc21.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-04-25  8:57           ` sean
2006-04-25  9:10             ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25  9:58               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-25 10:08                 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-29 14:59                   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25 15:21     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 15:40       ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]         ` <20060425121700.2d1a0032.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-04-25 16:17           ` sean
2006-04-25 17:04             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-26 11:25             ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-04-26 12:01               ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25 16:27         ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25 17:11           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 17:36             ` Jakub Narebski [this message]
2006-04-25 17:57               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 18:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 18:24                   ` Jakub Narebski
     [not found]             ` <20060425135250.5fd889f4.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-04-25 17:52               ` sean
2006-04-25 18:08                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                   ` <20060425141412.5c115f51.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-04-25 18:14                     ` sean
2006-04-25 18:26                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 18:41                         ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25 18:52                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 19:00                             ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25 22:17                               ` Jason Riedy
     [not found]                         ` <20060425144525.3ef957cf.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-04-25 18:45                           ` sean
2006-04-25 19:00                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 19:18                               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-25 19:34                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 19:51                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-25 19:58                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-26 12:42                                 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25 19:00                         ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-25 19:09                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 18:34                       ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25 23:18     ` Sam Vilain
2006-04-25 15:10 ` [RFC] [PATCH 0/5] Implement 'prior' commit object links Linus Torvalds

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