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Sun, 6 Sep 2026 05:41:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ThreadId: AzQf8o4jUb_w Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2026 11:39:29 +0200 From: "Kristoffer Haugsbakk" To: "Aleksei Sviridkin" , git@vger.kernel.org Cc: "Junio C Hamano" , "Thomas Bachem" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20260905171343.34722-1-f@lex.la> References: <20260903010547.85469-1-f@lex.la> <20260903200015.36849-1-f@lex.la> <20260903214551.53918-1-f@lex.la> <20260905171343.34722-1-f@lex.la> Subject: Re: [PATCH] push: fix --force-if-includes when remote-tracking ref has no reflog Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 5, 2026, at 19:13, Aleksei Sviridkin wrote: > Junio C Hamano writes: >> I prefer patches with human-readable explanations and known origin. The following are just drive by comments on this point. On Sat, Sep 5, 2026, at 19:13, Aleksei Sviridkin wrote: > Dropped the trailer. You will not see it again. > > On origin: this comes out of git's own tree, not an outside corpus, and Cool that it is only trained on Git=E2=80=99s corpus. > that is why every claim in the message names a file or a commit you can > check. The change here is one line, timestamp_t date; becoming > timestamp_t date =3D 0;. I read the whole thing and can explain any li= ne > of it, [...] If one can explain any and all of it, then having an AI write it is not necessary. Referring to the =E2=80=9Chuman-readable explanation=E2=80=9D= point. > and the sign-off is what carries that. Weird LLM-like phrases like this one seems to be used a lot on these `Assisted-by` submissions (by you and Thomas Bachem recently). Inanimate nouns gain subject-agency in sentences instead of saying something plainly like, I have signed off on this and I mean it. And this is on patch discussions, not in the commit messages (which are already marked as being potentially AI written). I feel like I should take two courses in linguistics in order to articulate this uncanny valley feeling. By commit message volume, I would have expected the commit messages (if they are LLM-assisted) to read more like Jeff King log messages given the corpus training. >[snip]