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From: Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com>
To: Thore Husfeldt <thore.husfeldt@gmail.com>
Cc: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, gitster@pobox.com,
	Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/10] user-manual.txt: explain better the remote(-tracking) branch terms
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 16:32:01 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3bp6jjhhm.fsf@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9A09AA7C-BAE2-4571-8453-17CB3F3256D4@gmail.com>

Thore Husfeldt <thore.husfeldt@gmail.com> writes:
> On 23 Oct 2010, at 18:31, Matthieu Moy wrote:

> > Documentation/user-manual.txt |    9 +++++++++
> > 1 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/Documentation/user-manual.txt b/Documentation/user-manual.txt
> > index d70f3e0..02126f1 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/user-manual.txt
> > +++ b/Documentation/user-manual.txt
> > @@ -359,6 +359,11 @@ $ git branch -r
> >   origin/todo
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > +In this case, "origin" is called a remote repository, or "remote" for
> > +short. The branches of this repository are called "remote branches"
> > +from our point of view, and Git will maintain a copy of these
> > +branches, called "remote-tracking branches" in the local repository.
> 
> No. Git does not "maintain a copy of [the remote]
> branches". It’s exactly one of the pitfalls I fell into: that
> Git, automagically, puts the *current* state of the remote branch
> into remote/branchname, or at least updates it behind my back
> whenever it gets the chance.

So you don't like the word "maintain" here, is it?  Perhaps "keep"
instead of "maintain" would be a better word?

I guess that we can also add the following explanation:

  Those "remote-tracking branches" would be updated to the state of tracked
  branches in remote repository on fetch.

> The Pro Git book goes as far as saying "they’re moved
> automatically whenever you do any network communication," which
> is extremely misleading. (And then it goes on: "Remote branches
> act as bookmarks to remind you where the branches on your remote
> repositories were the last time you connected to them." This is a
> good way of saying it, except that "remote branches" should be
> "remote-tracking branches,"

Right

> and "connected to them" could be more concrete.)

I guess that the word 'connected' is used here to avoid repetition.
But it is a bit unprecise: "git remote show <remote>" connects to remote
repository but does not update remote-tracking branches.

> Also note that the two following lines in user-manual.txt are plain
> wrong ("You cannot check out these remote-tracking branches, but you
> can examine them on a branch of your own, just as you would a tag").

This is simply outdated information, predating invention of detached
HEAD (also known as anonymous / unnamed branch).  They are not _that_
wrong, as you don't checkout a remote-tracking branch: you checkout
_state_ of remote tracking branch, creating unnamed branch for that
(state marked in git-branch output as "(no branch)").  But I guess it
is too fine distinction (splitting hairs).

> 
> I realise that it would be more constructive for me to suggest a
> concrete improvement, but I’m not quite there yet. I would really
> like to see a good conceptualisation, with strong, versatile verbs,
> of the relationships between bobsstuff bob/master and Bob’s master

Nevertheless your contributions, even those in the form of pointing
errors and inconsistences, are very welcome.

-- 
Jakub Narebski
Poland
ShadeHawk on #git

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-10-24 23:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-23 16:31 [PATCH 00/11] More consistant terminology ("remote-tracking branch", "not updated") Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 01/10] Better "Changed but not updated" message in git-status Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 18:13   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-23 18:33     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 18:55     ` Jakub Narebski
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 02/10] Remplace "remote tracking" with "remote-tracking" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 18:16   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-23 18:31   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-23 19:01     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 03/10] Change remote tracking to remote-tracking in non-trivial places Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 18:44   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-23 19:04     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 04/10] Change "tracking branch" to "remote-tracking branch" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 18:48   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28  1:55     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 05/10] Change "tracking branch" to "remote-tracking branch" in C code Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 18:51   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-26 22:15     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 06/10] Change incorrect uses of "remote branch" meaning "remote-tracking" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 07/10] Change incorrect "remote branch" to "remote tracking branch" in C code Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 18:58   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-23 19:19     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 08/10] Use 'remote-tracking branch' in generated merge messages Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 19:04   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-23 19:53     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 09/10] user-manual.txt: explain better the remote(-tracking) branch terms Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 19:08   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-23 19:34     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-24 14:47   ` Thore Husfeldt
2010-10-24 15:18     ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-24 23:32     ` Jakub Narebski [this message]
2010-10-26  3:11     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-26  4:16       ` Miles Bader
2010-10-23 16:31 ` [PATCH 10/10] git-branch.txt: mention --set-upstream as a way to change upstream configuration Matthieu Moy
2010-10-23 18:55 ` [PATCH 00/11] More consistant terminology ("remote-tracking branch", "not updated") Jakub Narebski
2010-10-23 19:11   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-25 17:30     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] " Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 01/10] Better "Changed but not updated" message in git-status Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 02/10] Replace "remote tracking" with "remote-tracking" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 03/10] Change remote tracking to remote-tracking in non-trivial places Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 04/10] Change "tracking branch" to "remote-tracking branch" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 05/10] Change "tracking branch" to "remote-tracking branch" in C code Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 06/10] Change incorrect uses of "remote branch" meaning "remote-tracking" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 07/10] Change incorrect "remote branch" to "remote tracking branch" in C code Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 08/10] Use 'remote-tracking branch' in generated merge messages Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 09/10] user-manual.txt: explain better the remote(-tracking) branch terms Matthieu Moy
2010-10-26  6:07   ` Jay Soffian
2010-10-26 22:13     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-26  6:20   ` Jay Soffian
2010-10-27  0:01     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-27  0:06       ` [PATCH] " Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25  6:08 ` [PATCH 10/10] git-branch.txt: mention --set-upstream as a way to change upstream configuration Matthieu Moy
2010-10-25 17:52 ` [PATCH 00/11] More consistant terminology ("remote-tracking branch", "not updated") Drew Northup
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 00/10 v3] " Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 01/10] Better "Changed but not updated" message in git-status Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 18:35   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 21:46     ` Junio C Hamano
2010-10-28 22:09       ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 22:47         ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 23:20           ` Junio C Hamano
2010-10-28 23:39             ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-29 21:06         ` Drew Northup
2010-10-30  4:00           ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 02/10] Replace "remote tracking" with "remote-tracking" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 19:52   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 03/10] Change remote tracking to remote-tracking in non-trivial places Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 18:39   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 21:50     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 22:13       ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 22:40         ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-29 17:26           ` Drew Northup
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 04/10] Change "tracking branch" to "remote-tracking branch" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 19:56   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 05/10] Change incorrect uses of "remote branch" meaning "remote-tracking" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 06/10] Change incorrect "remote branch" to "remote tracking branch" in C code Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 19:13   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 22:34     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 23:23       ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 07/10] Use 'remote-tracking branch' in generated merge messages Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 08/10] user-manual.txt: explain better the remote(-tracking) branch terms Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 19:42   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-28 23:40     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 09/10] user-manual: remote-tracking can be checked out, with detached HEAD Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 18:21 ` [PATCH 10/10] git-branch.txt: mention --set-upstream as a way to change upstream configuration Matthieu Moy
2010-10-28 20:08   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 00/11 v4] More consistant terminology Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  6:58   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 01/11] Better "Changed but not updated" message in git-status Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 02/11] Replace "remote tracking" with "remote-tracking" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 03/11] Change remote tracking to remote-tracking in non-trivial places Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 04/11] everyday.txt: change "tracking branch" to "remote-tracking branch" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 05/11] Change " Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 06/11] Change incorrect uses of "remote branch" meaning "remote-tracking" Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 07/11] Change incorrect "remote branch" to "remote tracking branch" in C code Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 08/11] Use 'remote-tracking branch' in generated merge messages Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 09/11] user-manual.txt: explain better the remote(-tracking) branch terms Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  7:18   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-31 14:57     ` Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 10/11] user-manual: remote-tracking can be checked out, with detached HEAD Matthieu Moy
2010-10-30  4:10 ` [PATCH 11/11] git-branch.txt: mention --set-upstream as a way to change upstream configuration Matthieu Moy

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