From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Goerzen Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Git Forum Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:42:06 -0500 Message-ID: References: <60646ee10804081451i4e6aa23ek44280e5d367d8814@mail.gmail.com> <20080408222501.GV11574@genesis.frugalware.org> <46a038f90804081536h7a19803apb401ed60593d9802@mail.gmail.com> <60646ee10804081545k6031578dxbae4c644fb7d2833@mail.gmail.com> <46a038f90804081551u44d7b4cald5a00e74ee479dc1@mail.gmail.com> To: git@vger.kernel.org X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Fri Apr 11 16:10:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JkJwO-00020v-Fo for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:09:20 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759346AbYDKOI3 (ORCPT ); Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:08:29 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1758759AbYDKOI2 (ORCPT ); Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:08:28 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:37597 "EHLO ciao.gmane.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1758041AbYDKOI2 (ORCPT ); Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:08:28 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JkJvU-0002DO-I4 for git@vger.kernel.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:08:25 +0000 Received: from 63-245-179-205.kitusa.com ([63.245.179.205]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:08:24 +0000 Received: from jgoerzen by 63-245-179-205.kitusa.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:08:24 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 63-245-179-205.kitusa.com User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On 2008-04-08, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Dill wrote: >> I have but as git grows more popular so will the users who wish to >> create communities that can help each other. IMHO this list will >> probably tend to be about development and bugs etc while other sites >> will sprout up geared more towards users. Could be wrong though. > > Do read the older discussions. Separating users from developers does > not work well. Successful communities have mixed lists -- perhaps > split by topic (linux-usb for example) but not by "participant type". > Users should be guided towards this list -- I don't think this is right. Debian has debian-user, debian-devel, and a host of other lists. Some are mixed (debian-kde), some aren't (debian-devel). debian-user is extremely high volume. In fact, its volume normally dwarfs that of debian-devel. As a developer, it would be virtually impossible to participate in development discussions without having to spend an inordinate amount of time each day filtering out all the discussions about KDE icons or whatnot. Not that these are *bad* discussions, or that developers never subscribe to -user, but there are some developers (such as myself) with limited time to devote to the project, and I feel my time is better spent on development than on filtering through 1000 messages each day that I'm not really interested in. Moreover, as a *user* of some projects, I appreciate the distinction as well. I do not want to be a pest to the developers that are donating their time to improve the project I benefit from when my question could be perfectly well addressed by other users more experienced than I. As an example, I subscribe to the MythTV user list but not the development list. There are all sorts of discussions there -- everything from what TVs are best in different situations to discussions over cable company encryption and setup of the MythTV web interface. I don't read most of them, but find some interesting. At the same time, I am not really interested in the latest SVN commits for MythTV. I upgrade my box maybe once a year and don't really care about development internals, so as a user, this separation benefits me too. I don't see a -user list as a bad thing for a community the size of Git. Think about it this way: once the Windows stuff for Git gets mature (to the TortoiseGit level), there are going to be a lot of people using Git that really *can't* operate a mail client because the only "mail client" at their disposal is Outlook. -- John