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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
Cc: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	 git@vger.kernel.org, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	 Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>,
	 Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2024 15:41:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqq1q20gy1w.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Ztdn25zfi8WHO+GS@nand.local> (Taylor Blau's message of "Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:47:39 -0400")

Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com> writes:

> But even if the attacker could do all of that, the remote still needs to
> index that pack, and while checksumming the pack, it would notice the
> collision (or SHA-1 mismatch) and reject the pack by die()-ing either
> way. (AFAICT, this all happens in
> builtin/index-pack.c::parse_pack_objects()).

The hosting side writes a packfile and computes the tail sum once.
You force the clients that clone or fetch validate the tail sum.
Usually clients outnumber the hoster by large orders of magnitude.

That sounds like you are optimizing for a wrong side, but it does
point at another aspect of this problem.

Even without limiting ourselves to the tail sum, our uses of the
hash function fall into two categories, ones that do not have to be
overly cautious (i.e., when we are generating data and computing the
hash over that data), and the others that we do want to be paranoid
(i.e., when we receive check-summed data from outside world and
suspect that the data was generated by an adversary).

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-03 22:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-01 16:03 [PATCH 0/4] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-01 16:03 ` [PATCH 1/4] sha1: do not redefine `platform_SHA_CTX` and friends Taylor Blau
2024-09-02 13:41   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-03 19:34     ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-01 16:03 ` [PATCH 2/4] hash.h: scaffolding for _fast hashing variants Taylor Blau
2024-09-02 13:41   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-03 17:27     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-03 19:52       ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-03 20:47         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-03 21:24           ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-04  7:05           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-04 14:53             ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-03 19:40     ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-01 16:03 ` [PATCH 3/4] Makefile: allow specifying a SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-02 13:41   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-03 19:43     ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-01 16:03 ` [PATCH 4/4] csum-file.c: use fast SHA-1 implementation when available Taylor Blau
2024-09-02 13:41   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-03  1:22     ` brian m. carlson
2024-09-03 19:50     ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-02  3:41 ` [PATCH 0/4] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Junio C Hamano
2024-09-03 19:48   ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-03 20:44     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-02 14:08 ` brian m. carlson
2024-09-03 19:47   ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-03 22:41     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2024-09-04 14:01     ` brian m. carlson
2024-09-05 10:37     ` Jeff King
2024-09-05 15:41       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-05 16:23         ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 16:51           ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-05 17:04             ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 17:51               ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 20:21                 ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 20:27               ` Jeff King
2024-09-05 21:27                 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-05 15:11 ` [PATCH v2 " Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] sha1: do not redefine `platform_SHA_CTX` and friends Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] hash.h: scaffolding for _fast hashing variants Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] Makefile: allow specifying a SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] csum-file.c: use fast SHA-1 implementation when available Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46 ` [PATCH v3 0/9] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 1/9] finalize_object_file(): check for name collision before renaming Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 2/9] finalize_object_file(): refactor unlink_or_warn() placement Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 3/9] finalize_object_file(): implement collision check Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 21:44     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-06 21:51       ` Chris Torek
2024-09-10  6:53       ` Jeff King
2024-09-10 15:14         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-16 10:45     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-16 15:54       ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-16 16:03         ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-17 20:40       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 4/9] pack-objects: use finalize_object_file() to rename pack/idx/etc Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 5/9] i5500-git-daemon.sh: use compile-able version of Git without OpenSSL Taylor Blau
2024-09-11  6:10     ` Jeff King
2024-09-11  6:12       ` Jeff King
2024-09-12 20:28         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-11 15:28       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-11 21:23         ` Jeff King
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 6/9] sha1: do not redefine `platform_SHA_CTX` and friends Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 7/9] hash.h: scaffolding for _fast hashing variants Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 8/9] Makefile: allow specifying a SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 9/9] csum-file.c: use fast SHA-1 implementation when available Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 21:50   ` [PATCH v3 0/9] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Junio C Hamano
2024-09-24 17:32 ` [PATCH v4 0/8] " Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 1/8] finalize_object_file(): check for name collision before renaming Taylor Blau
2024-09-25 17:02     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 2/8] finalize_object_file(): refactor unlink_or_warn() placement Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 3/8] finalize_object_file(): implement collision check Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 20:37     ` Jeff King
2024-09-24 21:59       ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 22:20         ` Jeff King
2024-09-25 18:06           ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 21:32     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-24 22:02       ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 4/8] pack-objects: use finalize_object_file() to rename pack/idx/etc Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 21:34     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 5/8] sha1: do not redefine `platform_SHA_CTX` and friends Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 6/8] hash.h: scaffolding for _unsafe hashing variants Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 7/8] Makefile: allow specifying a SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 8/8] csum-file.c: use unsafe SHA-1 implementation when available Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 20:52   ` [PATCH v4 0/8] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Jeff King
2024-09-25 16:58   ` Elijah Newren
2024-09-25 17:11     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-25 17:22       ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-25 17:22     ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22 ` [PATCH v5 " Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 1/8] finalize_object_file(): check for name collision before renaming Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 2/8] finalize_object_file(): refactor unlink_or_warn() placement Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 3/8] finalize_object_file(): implement collision check Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 4/8] pack-objects: use finalize_object_file() to rename pack/idx/etc Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 5/8] sha1: do not redefine `platform_SHA_CTX` and friends Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 6/8] hash.h: scaffolding for _unsafe hashing variants Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 7/8] Makefile: allow specifying a SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 8/8] csum-file.c: use unsafe SHA-1 implementation when available Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 22:47   ` [PATCH v5 0/8] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Elijah Newren
2024-09-27  0:44     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-27  3:57   ` Jeff King

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