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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org,
	 Kristoffer Haugsbakk <kristofferhaugsbakk@fastmail.com>,
	 Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] CodingGuidelines: a handful of error message guidelines
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2024 18:28:28 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqq34jbogg3.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPig+cSXGreymhni_J8TZ56rp+VZB_Z7ekaRtwFdxE3a2QWS5w@mail.gmail.com> (Eric Sunshine's message of "Thu, 28 Nov 2024 02:57:03 -0500")

Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com> writes:

>> + - Unless there is a compelling reason not to, error messages from the
>> +   Porcelain command should be marked for `_("translation")`.
>
> Here you capitalize "Porcelain" but below, "plumbing" is all lowercase.

;-) I think that is how we spell them in our documentation when we
contrast them against each other.

>> + - Error messages from the plumbing commands are sometimes meant for
>> +   machine consumption and should not be marked for `_("translation")`
>> +   to keep them 'grep'-able.
>
> Using the same example, `_("translation")`, for both the "should be"
> and "should not be" cases may very well confuse readers. (It certainly
> confused me.) Perhaps mirroring the example of an item earlier in the
> list would be clearer:
>
>     - Unless there is a compelling reason not to, error messages from
>       porcelain commands should be marked for translation, e.g.
>       `die(_("bad revision"))`
>
>     - Error messages from plumbing commands are sometimes meant for
>       machine consumption, thus should not be marked for translation,
>       e.g. `die("bad revision")`

Thanks, that is much better.  Let me steal it verbatim in the
hopefully final reroll.

>> + - BUG("message") are for communicating the specific error to
>> +   developers, and not to be translated.
>
> Okay, although could be slightly more explicit:
>
>     - BUG("message") is for communicating a specific failure to
>       developers, not end-users, thus should not be translated.

The way I read your rewrite is that the "communitation" mentioned is
between the program and the user who saw the message.  I wanted to
say that the message is seen first by an end-user, and then is
communicated to developers.  And not translating is one way to make
sure the message is not mangled, and stays grep-able, during the
game of telephone.

Would this work better?

  - In order to help the user who saw BUG("message") to accurately
    communicate it to developers, do not mark them for translation.

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-28  9:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-25 17:58 [PATCH] fast-import: disallow "." and ".." path components Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2024-11-25 18:15 ` Eric Sunshine
2024-11-25 18:24   ` Elijah Newren
2024-11-25 19:00 ` [PATCH v2] " Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2024-11-26  6:57   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-11-27 14:24     ` Jeff King
2024-11-27 23:07       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-11-27  8:28   ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2024-11-27 13:23     ` Re* " Junio C Hamano
2024-11-27 19:41       ` Eric Sunshine
2024-11-28  0:36       ` [PATCH v2] CodingGuidelines: a handful of error message guidelines Junio C Hamano
2024-11-28  7:57         ` Eric Sunshine
2024-11-28  9:28           ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2024-11-28  9:51             ` Eric Sunshine

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