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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	 git@vger.kernel.org,  Igor Todorovski <itodorov@ca.ibm.com>,
	 Bence Ferdinandy <bence@ferdinandy.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/9] fetch: avoid ls-refs only to ask for HEAD symref update
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2025 08:53:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqq4izxq63y.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250309032016.GH2334191@coredump.intra.peff.net> (Jeff King's message of "Sat, 8 Mar 2025 22:20:16 -0500")

Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:

> When we fetch from a configured remote, we may try to update the local
> refs/remotes/<origin>/HEAD, and so we ask the server to advertise its
> HEAD to us.

Yes.  

I _think_ flipping the remote-tracking HEAD should be tied to the
case where we are fetching to update the remote-tracking branches.

> But if we aren't otherwise asking about any refs at all, then we know
> this HEAD update can never happen! To consider a new value for HEAD,
> the set_head() function uses guess_remote_head(). And even if it sees an
> explicit symref value for HEAD, it will only report that as a match if
> we also saw that remote ref advertised, and it mapped to a local
> tracking ref via get_fetch_map().
>
> In other words, a fetch like this:
>
>   git fetch origin $exact_oid:refs/heads/foo
>
> can never update HEAD, because we will never have fetched (nor even see
> the advertisement for) the ref that HEAD points to.

Good observation, and I actually think it would be counter-intuitive
if remote HEAD gets updated by a fetch that does not even update the
remote-tracking branches.

My preference is to keep the rule simple.

    If you fetch using the configured fetch refspec, i.e. "git fetch
    [<remote>]" without any refspec command line arguments, that is
    an operation to maintain your remote-tracking branches for that
    remote up-to-date, hence we also try to flip remote-tracking
    HEAD (if you told us to) during such a fetch.

If you are doing a single-object fetch (perhaps as a lazy-fill from
promisor remote), I do not think I want to see anything else happen
than that the single-object comes here.

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-13 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-30  3:49 Tags are no longer fetched when fetching specific commit Igor Todorovski
2025-02-13 22:38 ` Taylor Blau
2025-02-14 13:53   ` Bence Ferdinandy
2025-02-14 18:35   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-02-21  7:25     ` Jeff King
2025-03-07 23:27 ` [PATCH] fetch: fix following tags when fetching specific OID Taylor Blau
2025-03-07 23:32   ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-08  0:10   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-03-08  3:23   ` Bence Ferdinandy
2025-03-09  3:01   ` [PATCH 0/9] fetch: further ref-prefix cleanups and optimizations Jeff King
2025-03-09  3:01     ` [PATCH 1/9] t5702: fix typo in test name Jeff King
2025-03-12 21:30       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-13  5:37         ` Jeff King
2025-03-09  3:01     ` [PATCH 2/9] t5516: prefer "oid" to "sha1" in some test titles Jeff King
2025-03-09  3:02     ` [PATCH 3/9] t5516: drop NEEDSWORK about v2 reachability behavior Jeff King
2025-03-12 21:30       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-09  3:02     ` [PATCH 4/9] t5516: beef up exact-oid ref prefixes test Jeff King
2025-03-09  3:07     ` [PATCH 5/9] refspec_ref_prefixes(): clean up refspec_item logic Jeff King
2025-03-12 21:38       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-13  5:41         ` Jeff King
2025-03-13 13:26           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-03-17 22:24             ` [PATCH 0/4] refspec: treat 'fetch' as a Boolean value Taylor Blau
2025-03-17 22:24               ` [PATCH 1/4] " Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  0:24                 ` Jeff King
2025-03-18  0:26                   ` Jeff King
2025-03-18 22:44                   ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-17 22:24               ` [PATCH 2/4] refspec: replace `refspec_init()` with fetch/push variants Taylor Blau
2025-03-17 22:24               ` [PATCH 3/4] refspec: remove refspec_item_init_or_die() Taylor Blau
2025-03-17 22:24               ` [PATCH 4/4] refspec: replace `refspec_item_init()` with fetch/push variants Taylor Blau
2025-03-17 23:26               ` [PATCH 0/4] refspec: treat 'fetch' as a Boolean value Junio C Hamano
2025-03-18 22:40                 ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-18 22:50             ` [PATCH v2 " Taylor Blau
2025-03-18 22:50               ` [PATCH v2 1/4] " Taylor Blau
2025-03-18 22:50               ` [PATCH v2 2/4] refspec: replace `refspec_init()` with fetch/push variants Taylor Blau
2025-03-18 22:50               ` [PATCH v2 3/4] refspec: remove refspec_item_init_or_die() Taylor Blau
2025-03-18 22:50               ` [PATCH v2 4/4] refspec: replace `refspec_item_init()` with fetch/push variants Taylor Blau
2025-03-19 15:31               ` [PATCH v2 0/4] refspec: treat 'fetch' as a Boolean value Elijah Newren
2025-03-17 22:00           ` [PATCH 5/9] refspec_ref_prefixes(): clean up refspec_item logic Taylor Blau
2025-03-17 23:25             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-03-18 22:47               ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-09  3:08     ` [PATCH 6/9] fetch: ask server to advertise HEAD for config-less fetch Jeff King
2025-03-12 21:43       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-13  5:46         ` Jeff King
2025-03-13 12:26           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-03-17 22:23             ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-09  3:10     ` [PATCH 7/9] fetch: stop protecting additions to ref-prefix list Jeff King
2025-03-12 21:45       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-09  3:20     ` [PATCH 8/9] fetch: avoid ls-refs only to ask for HEAD symref update Jeff King
2025-03-13 15:53       ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2025-03-17 18:06         ` Jeff King
2025-03-17 19:01           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-03-18  5:39             ` [PATCH 0/2] limiting followRemoteHEAD being used Jeff King
2025-03-18  5:40               ` [PATCH 1/2] fetch: only respect followRemoteHEAD with configured refspecs Jeff King
2025-03-18 23:02                 ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  5:41               ` [PATCH 2/2] fetch: don't ask for remote HEAD if followRemoteHEAD is "never" Jeff King
2025-03-18 19:18               ` [PATCH 0/2] limiting followRemoteHEAD being used Junio C Hamano
2025-03-18 23:02                 ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-09  3:21     ` [PATCH 9/9] fetch: use ref prefix list to skip ls-refs Jeff King
2025-03-12 21:29     ` [PATCH 0/9] fetch: further ref-prefix cleanups and optimizations Taylor Blau
2025-03-12 21:49       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-13  5:50         ` Jeff King

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