From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pb-smtp20.pobox.com (pb-smtp20.pobox.com [173.228.157.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C198D15E5AA for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2024 19:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=173.228.157.52 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1706900689; cv=none; b=ZPPpkA0+PDdt8/5f5INoz0fSZnCSxnvxgruS9Yv6WyNjBdD0SUJwfj6PcDgb3/Z0I7aeXkC4hWi3qDee8HsLhjD8xS8lR7tzrQIOMrMDOdnNcsCMqdhZQqVspY8Dks5n+8ETa8Q7upuEO3RNinUlTbD2A8eC+LtNGtSY7Zd29K8= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1706900689; c=relaxed/simple; bh=+OWFquoMSwVs9Z0VNeXxGBG+eOuMj12yPu5Jy9tOcTI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OLVXlQLB2ZLUq162kUC1rNfBRWMFBzieK5pbuK2453EFvQfE9ptCTZhdWsA/2piwSR4f/M5vAXQUj43CxpeBSTDnV4oPLykqnDsX7XQS9PJIm6GeCCZ+ipZts2wC83i81tKk0ie6Cxuoxsr0eUoncfCtbmzvDxYfhaMIG/+fhB0= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=pobox.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=pobox.com; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=pobox.com header.i=@pobox.com header.b=NHMaufy0; arc=none smtp.client-ip=173.228.157.52 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=pobox.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=pobox.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=pobox.com header.i=@pobox.com header.b="NHMaufy0" Received: from pb-smtp20.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5E32603A; Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:04:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=+OWFquoMSwVs9Z0VNeXxGBG+eOuMj12yPu5Jy9 tOcTI=; b=NHMaufy0RNy8TezBwMde+ag7POISL+aop6Bl/87mEgCTKoOhG4ePcg isBIusY76rUQtslNEejxcfXqETm+JH+4algfTQKRk2DRNaGIT7TCHCzu3N1oCIGr 9WTonm6j6Gu+PPZm2ONWSt/L8mJN11ppg6sRfwlxXULpkJCPIfIOQ= Received: from pb-smtp20.sea.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222F826039; Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:04:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [34.125.200.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5708C26038; Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:04:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) From: Junio C Hamano To: "Theodore Ts'o" Cc: rsbecker@nexbridge.com, "'Sergey Organov'" , "'Hans Meiser'" , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Migrate away from vger to GitHub or (on-premise) GitLab? In-Reply-To: <20240202161643.GD119530@mit.edu> (Theodore Ts'o's message of "Fri, 2 Feb 2024 11:16:43 -0500") References: <877cjm53bf.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <008b01da55eb$9f3c36d0$ddb4a470$@nexbridge.com> <20240202161643.GD119530@mit.edu> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2024 11:04:41 -0800 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Pobox-Relay-ID: EC7F5D86-C1FD-11EE-AECB-F515D2CDFF5E-77302942!pb-smtp20.pobox.com "Theodore Ts'o" writes: > So from an open source project perspective, which is primarily run by > volunteers, each open source project has to make a cost-benefit > tradeoff as far as the *project* is concerned. Individuals do not > have a fundamental human right to contribute to a project. Hence, the > open source project doesn't owe an obligation to spend a huge amount > of effort supporting some kind of forge web site just because some > potential contributors are clammoring for it. Especially if they are > saying that they can't be bothered to follow the mailing list traffic > because it's somehow too much. Thanks for saying this (even though with my Devil's advocate hat on, I am not sure how strong our "this is run by volunteers, so do not demand" card is these days). > (Of course, I have all of the Linux kernel mailing list flowing into > my inbox, and have e-mail practices that can handle that load --- so > it's hard for me to have much sympathy about people complaining that > the e-mail load for git is too large --- compared to LKML, it's > *nothing*. :-) True, too. We may have enough patch traffic but not enough reviews on them.