From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Neeraj Singh <nksingh85@gmail.com>
Cc: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
"Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
"Git List" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
"Randall S. Becker" <rsbecker@nexbridge.com>,
"Bagas Sanjaya" <bagasdotme@gmail.com>,
"Elijah Newren" <newren@gmail.com>,
"Patrick Steinhardt" <ps@pks.im>,
"Neeraj Singh" <neerajsi@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/3] core.fsync: introduce granular fsync control
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 16:44:01 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqq5yrywqsu.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANQDOddkKbUC-g97JOf40nS28Yv1KACvbjW9gtQZemfBMutPCw@mail.gmail.com> (Neeraj Singh's message of "Wed, 8 Dec 2021 16:14:40 -0800")
Neeraj Singh <nksingh85@gmail.com> writes:
> I'm not going to take this feedback unless there are additional votes
> from the Git community in this direction. I make the claim that
> single-valued comma-separated config lists are easier to work with in
> the existing Git infrastructure. We already use essentially the same
> parsing code for the core.whitespace variable and users are used to
> this syntax there. There are several other comma-separated lists in
> the config space, so this construct has precedence and will be with
> Git for some time. Also, fsync configurations aren't composable like
> some other configurations may be. It makes sense to have a holistic
> singular fsync configuration, which is best represented by a single
> variable.
I haven't caught up with the discussion in this thread, even though
I have been meaning to think about it for some time---I just haven't
got around to it (sorry). So I'll stop at giving a general guidance
and leave the decision if it applies to this particular discussion
to readers.
As the inventor of core.whitespace "list of values and its parser, I
am biased, but I would say that it works well for simple things that
do not need too much overriding. The other side of the coin is that
it can become very awkward going forward if we use it to things that
have more complex needs than answering a simple question like "what
whitespace errors should be checked?".
More specifically, core.whitespace is pecuriar in a few ways.
* It does follow the usual "the last one wins" rule, but in a
strange way. Notice the "unsigned rule = WS_DEFAULT_RULE"
assignment at the beginning of ws.c::parse_whitespace_rule()?
For each configuration "core.whitespace=<list>" we encounter,
we start from the default, discarding everything we saw so far,
and tweak that default value with tokens found on the list.
* You cannot do "The system config gives one set of values, which
you tweak with the personal config, which is further tweaked with
the repository config" as the consequence. This is blessing and
is curse at the same time, as it makes inspection simpler when
things go wrong (you only need to check whta the last one does),
but it is harder to share the common things in more common file.
* Its design relies on the choices being strings chosen from a
fixed vocabulary to allow you to say "the value of the
configuration variable is a list of tokens separated by a comma"
and "the default has X bit set, but we disable that with -X".
For a configuration variable whose value is an arbitrary string
or a number, obviously that approach would not work.
If the need of the topic is simple enough that the above limitation
core.whitespace does not pose a problem going forward, it would be
fine, but we may regret the choice we make today if that is not the
case.
Thanks.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-12-09 0:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-12-04 3:28 [PATCH 0/2] A design for future-proofing fsync() configuration Neeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-04 3:28 ` [PATCH 1/2] fsync: add writeout-only mode for fsyncing repo data Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-06 7:54 ` Neeraj Singh
2021-12-04 3:28 ` [PATCH 2/2] core.fsync: introduce granular fsync control Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07 2:46 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] A design for future-proofing fsync() configuration Neeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07 2:46 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] core.fsyncmethod: add writeout-only mode Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07 11:44 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2021-12-07 12:14 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-07 23:29 ` Neeraj Singh
2021-12-07 12:18 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-07 23:58 ` Neeraj Singh
2021-12-07 2:46 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] core.fsync: introduce granular fsync control Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07 11:53 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2021-12-07 20:46 ` Neeraj Singh
2021-12-07 12:29 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-07 21:44 ` Neeraj Singh
2021-12-08 10:05 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-09 0:14 ` Neeraj Singh
2021-12-09 0:44 ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2021-12-09 4:08 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-09 6:18 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-01-18 23:50 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-01-19 15:28 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-01-19 14:52 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-01-28 1:28 ` Neeraj Singh
2021-12-07 2:46 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] core.fsync: new option to harden the index Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07 11:56 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] A design for future-proofing fsync() configuration Patrick Steinhardt
2021-12-08 0:44 ` Neeraj Singh
2021-12-09 0:57 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] " Neeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-09 0:57 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] core.fsyncmethod: add writeout-only mode Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-09 0:57 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] core.fsync: introduce granular fsync control Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-09 0:57 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] core.fsync: new option to harden the index Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2021-12-09 0:57 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] core.fsync: add a `derived-metadata` aggregate option Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-01-08 1:13 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] A design for future-proofing fsync() configuration Neeraj Singh
2022-01-09 0:55 ` rsbecker
2022-01-10 19:00 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-02-01 3:33 ` [PATCH v4 " Neeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-02-01 3:33 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] core.fsyncmethod: add writeout-only mode Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-02-01 3:33 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] core.fsync: introduce granular fsync control Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-02-02 0:51 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-02 1:42 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-11 21:18 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-02-11 22:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-11 23:04 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-02-11 23:15 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-12 0:39 ` rsbecker
2022-02-14 7:04 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2022-02-14 17:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-09 13:42 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-09 18:50 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-09 20:03 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10 12:33 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-10 17:15 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-09 20:05 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-02-11 20:38 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-02-01 3:33 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] core.fsync: new option to harden the index Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-02-01 3:33 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] core.fsync: add a `derived-metadata` aggregate option Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-09 23:03 ` [PATCH v5 0/5] A design for future-proofing fsync() configuration Neeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-09 23:03 ` [PATCH v5 1/5] wrapper: move inclusion of CSPRNG headers the wrapper.c file Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-09 23:29 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10 1:21 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-10 1:26 ` brian m. carlson
2022-03-10 1:56 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-09 23:03 ` [PATCH v5 2/5] core.fsyncmethod: add writeout-only mode Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-09 23:48 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-09 23:03 ` [PATCH v5 3/5] core.fsync: introduce granular fsync control Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-10 0:21 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10 2:53 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-10 7:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10 18:38 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-10 18:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10 19:57 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10 20:25 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-10 21:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10 13:11 ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-03-10 17:18 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-09 23:03 ` [PATCH v5 4/5] core.fsync: new option to harden the index Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-09 23:03 ` [PATCH v5 5/5] core.fsync: documentation and user-friendly aggregate options Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-10 9:53 ` Future-proofed syncing of refs Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-10 9:53 ` [PATCH 6/8] core.fsync: add `fsync_component()` wrapper which doesn't die Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-10 17:34 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10 18:40 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-10 9:53 ` [PATCH 7/8] core.fsync: new option to harden loose references Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-10 18:25 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-10 19:03 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-10 22:54 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-11 6:40 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-11 9:15 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-11 9:36 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-10 9:53 ` [PATCH 8/8] core.fsync: new option to harden packed references Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-10 18:28 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-11 9:10 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-10 22:43 ` [PATCH v6 0/6] A design for future-proofing fsync() configuration Neeraj K. Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-10 22:43 ` [PATCH v6 1/6] wrapper: make inclusion of Windows csprng header tightly scoped Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-10 22:43 ` [PATCH v6 2/6] core.fsyncmethod: add writeout-only mode Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-10 22:43 ` [PATCH v6 3/6] core.fsync: introduce granular fsync control infrastructure Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-10 22:43 ` [PATCH v6 4/6] core.fsync: add configuration parsing Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-28 11:06 ` Jiang Xin
2022-03-28 19:45 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-10 22:43 ` [PATCH v6 5/6] core.fsync: new option to harden the index Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-10 22:43 ` [PATCH v6 6/6] core.fsync: documentation and user-friendly aggregate options Neeraj Singh via GitGitGadget
2022-03-15 19:12 ` [PATCH v7] " Neeraj Singh
2022-03-15 19:32 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-15 19:56 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-23 14:20 ` do we have too much fsync() configuration in 'next'? (was: [PATCH v7] core.fsync: documentation and user-friendly aggregate options) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-25 21:24 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-26 0:24 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-26 1:23 ` do we have too much fsync() configuration in 'next'? Junio C Hamano
2022-03-26 1:25 ` do we have too much fsync() configuration in 'next'? (was: [PATCH v7] core.fsync: documentation and user-friendly aggregate options) Neeraj Singh
2022-03-26 15:31 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-27 5:27 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-27 12:43 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-28 10:56 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-28 11:25 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-28 19:56 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-30 16:59 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-10 23:34 ` [PATCH v6 0/6] A design for future-proofing fsync() configuration Junio C Hamano
2022-03-11 0:03 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-11 18:50 ` Neeraj Singh
2022-03-13 23:50 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-11 9:58 ` [PATCH v2] core.fsync: new option to harden references Patrick Steinhardt
2022-03-25 6:11 ` SZEDER Gábor
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