From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, RP_MATCHES_RCVD shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B58520899 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 16:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752164AbdHBQ2w (ORCPT ); Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:28:52 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp1.pobox.com ([64.147.108.70]:65068 "EHLO sasl.smtp.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752146AbdHBQ2v (ORCPT ); Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:28:51 -0400 Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BA29B3AA; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:28:51 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=5rvXbCNwh9W6xr51R8wHJBDqGz4=; b=Tu/8TX hKz7Exq0ofCHmDvs6TFWIfh+hhwa6FLARPC3/VyaqGlgyXe6fPg8cC6aV71qRMz4 fqX+kw5eMxHMr3+PPRX1acIoCiUicbiYOQOuTq9VHweOijhLSKf9MUlol9fipLZU BDxw6kl2r1359DujHXgAyVkWGrCG/fR6j45hE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=lVUhH5apYYYyhnzCVhhCXNJr1Zh5tHUV pvreEsgalgfFbCIAFWJBTIfVdX1pw2dExomocWn7KIXN6OxtA8SjchKQCq+BPpS7 eZ26EIml71HxHQZ6QDNV93e+zCGQznt3HNqjxLPRwD1oeutXXg7qekaGMkcQ4TTa GLRekoNzDk4= Received: from pb-smtp1.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C90D9B3A9; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [104.132.0.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 858449B3A6; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:28:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Junio C Hamano To: Kaartic Sivaraam Cc: Stefan Beller , "git\@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] doc: add another way to identify if a patch has been merged References: <20170801160539.5587-1-kaarticsivaraam91196@gmail.com> <20170801160539.5587-2-kaarticsivaraam91196@gmail.com> <1501677122.1957.8.camel@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 09:28:49 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Junio C. Hamano's message of "Wed, 02 Aug 2017 09:01:13 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Pobox-Relay-ID: AAB55950-779F-11E7-BA41-FE4B1A68708C-77302942!pb-smtp1.pobox.com Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Junio C Hamano writes: > I think the exchange Stefan cited was an example that we want to > have more of. The contributor is indicating that, even though the > patch could be a drive-by patch by one-timer from whom we will never > hear again, it is not--the contributor is willing to learn the way > things are done here, and showing that it is worth _our_ time to > explain the things so that the future patches will take less effort > to accept on our side. > > Because we do not have a group of dedicated volunteers, it is done > by more experienced people around here but that can be done only > when they have time. I view it as a more severe problem than any > documentation. An abbreviated version of the documentation to > invite more new people means that we must be prepared to give more > high-touch onboarding help to them. Just to make sure there is no misunderstanding, I am not saying "do not update the doc to have an abbreviated version, because we will get more clueless newbies". I am saying that it is not a good idea to add an abbreviated version _before_ we are prepared to handle more patches from new people that require high-touch help. If you are volunteering to coordinate and form the onboarding helpers group, that would be great. Thanks.