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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: "Kristoffer Haugsbakk" <code@khaugsbakk.name>
Cc: "Kristoffer Haugsbakk" <kristofferhaugsbakk@fastmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] usage: help the user help themselves
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2025 14:14:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqq7byozcv1.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9611573e-fb0b-49d5-933a-50d8e0603701@app.fastmail.com> (Kristoffer Haugsbakk's message of "Wed, 27 Aug 2025 22:36:04 +0200")

"Kristoffer Haugsbakk" <code@khaugsbakk.name> writes:

>> usage: help the user help themselves
>
> I think I’ll change the area to the more pointed:
>
>     you-still-use-that??:

Ah, that makes sense.

> On Wed, Aug 27, 2025, at 18:29, kristofferhaugsbakk@fastmail.com wrote:
>> @@ -377,12 +378,22 @@ void bug_fl(const char *file, int line, const char *fmt, ...)
>>
>>  NORETURN void you_still_use_that(const char *command_name)
>>  {
>> +	struct strbuf percent_encoded = STRBUF_INIT;
>> +	strbuf_add_percentencode(&percent_encoded,
>> +				 command_name,
>> +				 STRBUF_ENCODE_SLASH);
>> +
>>  	fprintf(stderr,
>>  		_("'%s' is nominated for removal.\n"
>> -		  "If you still use this command, please add an extra\n"
>> -		  "option, '--i-still-use-this', on the command line\n"
>> -		  "and let us know you still use it by sending an e-mail\n"
>> -		  "to <git@vger.kernel.org>.  Thanks.\n"),
>> -		command_name);
>> +		  "If you still use this command, here's what you can do:\n"
>> +		  "\n"
>> +		  "- read https://git-scm.com/docs/BreakingChanges.html\n"
>> +		  "- check if anyone has discussed this on the mailing\n"
>> +		  "  list and if they came up with something that can\n"
>> +		  "  help you: https://lore.kernel.org/git/?q=%s\n"
>> +		  "- send an email to <git@vger.kernel.org>\n"
>
> Maybe (thinking out loud) this should retain some part of the “let us
> know you still use this” spirit:
>
>     - send an email to <git@vger.kernel.org> and let us know
>       that you still use this command

We do not actually want to bother individual users about reporting.

We may want to catch third-party tools (like we heard a problem with
Jenkins from its users), so

    - notify <git@vger.kernel.org> mailing list if you are a lead
      developer of a widely used tool, especially if you heard a
      breakage report on your tool from your users due to this
      message.

perhaps?  If we know that version A of tool X (or older) hasn't
migrated, users of the same tool will see the same breakage, and
some of them may come to this list.  If we know about their problem
ahead of time, we'd be better prepared to give them a definitive
"Yes, we know version A of tool X (or older) still uses it, and the
developer of tool X is aware of the problem."

Hopefully ;-)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-08-27 21:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-27 16:29 [PATCH 0/4] you-still-use-that??: improve breaking changes troubleshooting kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-08-27 16:29 ` [PATCH 1/4] usage: help the user help themselves kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-08-27 20:36   ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-08-27 21:02     ` Eric Sunshine
2025-08-27 21:20       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-27 21:27         ` Eric Sunshine
2025-08-27 22:26           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-28  6:39             ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-08-28 15:09               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-03 16:50           ` Eric Sunshine
2025-09-03 17:53             ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-03 21:21               ` Eric Sunshine
2025-09-03 21:41                 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-03 21:44                 ` Jeff King
2025-09-03 22:11                   ` Eric Sunshine
2025-09-04  6:57                     ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-05 13:11                     ` Jeff King
2025-09-09 20:01             ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-08-27 21:14     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2025-08-27 16:29 ` [PATCH 2/4] whatchanged: tell users the git-log(1) equivalent kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-08-27 16:45   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-27 16:48     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-27 17:08       ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-08-28 12:07   ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-08-27 16:29 ` [PATCH 3/4] whatchanged: remove not-even-shorter clause kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-08-27 16:29 ` [PATCH 4/4] BreakingChanges: remove claim about whatchanged reports kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-08-27 16:43 ` [PATCH 0/4] you-still-use-that??: improve breaking changes troubleshooting Junio C Hamano
2025-08-29 15:21 ` [PATCH v2 " kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-08-29 15:21   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] you-still-use-that??: help the user help themselves kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-08-29 15:21   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] whatchanged: tell users the git-log(1) equivalent kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-08-29 15:21   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] whatchanged: remove not-even-shorter clause kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-08-29 15:21   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] BreakingChanges: remove claim about whatchanged reports kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-08 15:36   ` [PATCH v3 0/8] you-still-use-that??: improve breaking changes troubleshooting kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-08 15:36     ` [PATCH v3 1/8] git: add `deprecated` category to --list-cmds kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-09  6:43       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09  8:02         ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-08 15:36     ` [PATCH v3 2/8] git: make the two loops look more symmetric kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-08 15:36     ` [PATCH v3 3/8] git: allow alias-shadowing deprecated builtins kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-08 20:47       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08 21:11         ` Jeff King
2025-09-08 21:55           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-09  6:25             ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-08 15:36     ` [PATCH v3 4/8] t0014: test shadowing of aliases for a sample of builtins kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-08 15:36     ` [PATCH v3 5/8] you-still-use-that??: help the user help themselves kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-08 15:36     ` [PATCH v3 6/8] whatchanged: tell users the git-log(1) equivalent kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-08 15:36     ` [PATCH v3 7/8] whatchanged: remove not-even-shorter clause kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-08 15:36     ` [PATCH v3 8/8] BreakingChanges: remove claim about whatchanged reports kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-09 19:45     ` [PATCH v4 0/7] you-still-use-that??: improve breaking changes troubleshooting kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-09 19:45       ` [PATCH v4 1/7] git: add `deprecated` category to --list-cmds kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-09 21:44         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-10 11:41           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:50           ` Jeff King
2025-09-10 21:40             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-10 20:23           ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-09 19:45       ` [PATCH v4 2/7] git: allow alias-shadowing deprecated builtins kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-10  5:13         ` Jeff King
2025-09-10 15:48           ` Jeff King
2025-09-10 17:58             ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-10 18:34               ` Jeff King
2025-09-11 17:31                 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-11 20:32                   ` Jeff King
2025-09-11 20:43                     ` Jeff King
2025-09-13 14:10                       ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-13 22:06                         ` Jeff King
2025-09-14 17:24                           ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-15  1:44                             ` Jeff King
2025-09-15  6:27                               ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-11 20:44                     ` Jeff King
2025-09-11 21:19                       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-13 21:50                 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-09 19:45       ` [PATCH v4 3/7] t0014: test shadowing of aliases for a sample of builtins kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-09 19:45       ` [PATCH v4 4/7] you-still-use-that??: help the user help themselves kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-09 19:45       ` [PATCH v4 5/7] whatchanged: tell users the git-log(1) equivalent kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-09 19:45       ` [PATCH v4 6/7] whatchanged: remove not-even-shorter clause kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-09 19:45       ` [PATCH v4 7/7] BreakingChanges: remove claim about whatchanged reports kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-14 19:49       ` [PATCH v5 0/8] you-still-use-that??: improve breaking changes troubleshooting kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-14 19:49         ` [PATCH v5 1/8] git: add `deprecated` category to --list-cmds kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-14 19:49         ` [PATCH v5 2/8] git: move seen-alias bookkeeping into handle_alias(...) kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-14 19:49         ` [PATCH v5 3/8] git: allow alias-shadowing deprecated builtins kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-14 19:49         ` [PATCH v5 4/8] t0014: test shadowing of aliases for a sample of builtins kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-14 19:49         ` [PATCH v5 5/8] you-still-use-that??: help the user help themselves kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-14 19:49         ` [PATCH v5 6/8] whatchanged: hint about git-log(1) and aliasing kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-14 19:49         ` [PATCH v5 7/8] whatchanged: remove not-even-shorter clause kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-14 19:49         ` [PATCH v5 8/8] BreakingChanges: remove claim about whatchanged reports kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-15 19:19         ` [PATCH v5 0/8] you-still-use-that??: improve breaking changes troubleshooting Junio C Hamano
2025-09-16 20:47           ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-16 23:24             ` Jeff King
2025-09-17 15:41               ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-17 16:25                 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-17 20:24         ` [PATCH v6 0/9] " kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-17 20:24           ` [PATCH v6 1/9] Makefile: don’t add whatchanged after it has been removed kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-17 20:24           ` [PATCH v6 2/9] git: add `deprecated` category to --list-cmds kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-17 20:24           ` [PATCH v6 3/9] git: move seen-alias bookkeeping into handle_alias(...) kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-17 20:24           ` [PATCH v6 4/9] git: allow alias-shadowing deprecated builtins kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-17 20:24           ` [PATCH v6 5/9] t0014: test shadowing of aliases for a sample of builtins kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-17 20:24           ` [PATCH v6 6/9] you-still-use-that??: help the user help themselves kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-17 20:24           ` [PATCH v6 7/9] whatchanged: hint about git-log(1) and aliasing kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-17 20:24           ` [PATCH v6 8/9] whatchanged: remove not-even-shorter clause kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-17 20:24           ` [PATCH v6 9/9] BreakingChanges: remove claim about whatchanged reports kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-18 18:31           ` [PATCH v6 0/9] you-still-use-that??: improve breaking changes troubleshooting Jeff King
2025-09-18 20:21             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-18 20:28             ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk

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