From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from fhigh-b6-smtp.messagingengine.com (fhigh-b6-smtp.messagingengine.com [202.12.124.157]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A757B2E3EB for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2024 23:39:16 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=202.12.124.157 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1731973158; cv=none; b=oK7oEMc0hEQAw754MeI/cf5YJ8FtCJFwssdGrtXTUVsNUinLbepUqkhTZ5jMWRwY2LwixkZcuPwkeqOXRiLvgY1Adq0VbyKlgHRUsIf86RnaDbY80XY0dKEWA+69wUQqcReg309f13QpwYp5qF1OqqDHjB3rvb3f+bOzKmzahUY= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1731973158; c=relaxed/simple; bh=EbGx1vBfQkqaUWR5g+ikKyxKDkNXKNM77M3g8nSNe2A=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KCx1Vyfz2fb8tiUyWg+6iNqBmQUOW4viScqwsNbnZSDcpVhTsdWXZ+wKfOxER5D24r3cpLMMBw24LVoFpVgG8xLkCwKMX5SI6Ncxe20/vnF4HuNS1b+olKhAo55vSlaT1KBYu98w9zr9wlS4fWdPWOHYIcgLFGV3XmDFn7fUlMg= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=pobox.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=pobox.com; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.i=@messagingengine.com header.b=A2Dt150z; arc=none smtp.client-ip=202.12.124.157 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=pobox.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=pobox.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.i=@messagingengine.com header.b="A2Dt150z" Received: from phl-compute-07.internal (phl-compute-07.phl.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailfhigh.stl.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892AA25401C8; Mon, 18 Nov 2024 18:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from phl-frontend-01 ([10.202.2.160]) by phl-compute-07.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 18 Nov 2024 18:39:15 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:subject:subject:to :to:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t= 1731973155; x=1732059555; bh=Vm2p8oAzzaehCPwxED+XNfidnQnILYJmjDX H7+v1NAQ=; b=A2Dt150z6Gp0g9z1c3A81mhC4uK+2hf/9ZplBp6Hyzyb7k0u9Es P0EX4ejrmU2IM+zztzEIzeHXFMmlBdrY6Oz2jLy4TBIOaCQBUNX+tkPYZaV+mj0n cuOs3B5w40LONC9MU4Pmj2x6399woHFO1fEkTpUqP8/WYKtwseKS9qHhKSHWlWjO gXjfTu7b2A/lOlkO1NO+Lkdwxqt6Dc5Ziu/LQrO7Yojc5iyu6fUeo7CBq18YcljJ x4LKZD+7simW+pVDD516ttp8AMPIlZhgH2fq0YbB6nlrs8NIkYAaimm44K7kDx1+ heK7oKAaFQgQeLkvPr6S2Gy5KCv9B2+CQIQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeefuddrfedugdduvdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpuffr tefokffrpgfnqfghnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnth hsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvfevufgjfhffkfgfgggtsehttdertddtredtnecu hfhrohhmpefluhhnihhoucevucfjrghmrghnohcuoehgihhtshhtvghrsehpohgsohigrd gtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeefveetteejheeugeffledvteeiveffueefjeel ueffteeigffgfedthfefieegieenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmh epmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehgihhtshhtvghrsehpohgsohigrdgtohhmpdhnsggprhgtphht thhopeduuddpmhhouggvpehsmhhtphhouhhtpdhrtghpthhtohepphhssehpkhhsrdhimh dprhgtphhtthhopehrrghmshgrhiesrhgrmhhsrgihjhhonhgvshdrphhluhhsrdgtohhm pdhrtghpthhtohepghhithesvhhgvghrrdhkvghrnhgvlhdrohhrghdprhgtphhtthhope gvshgthhifrghrthiisehgvghnthhoohdrohhrghdprhgtphhtthhopehsuhhnshhhihhn vgesshhunhhshhhinhgvtghordgtohhmpdhrtghpthhtohepphhhihhllhhiphdrfihooh guuddvfeesghhmrghilhdrtghomhdprhgtphhtthhopehmvgesthhtrgihlhhorhhrrdgt ohhmpdhrtghpthhtohepuggrvhhvihgusehgmhgrihhlrdgtohhmpdhrtghpthhtohepph gvfhhfsehpvghffhdrnhgvth X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: if26b431b:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 18 Nov 2024 18:39:13 -0500 (EST) From: Junio C Hamano To: Patrick Steinhardt Cc: Ramsay Jones , git@vger.kernel.org, Eli Schwartz , Eric Sunshine , Phillip Wood , Taylor Blau , David Aguilar , Jeff King , Christian Couder Subject: Re: [-SPAM-] [PATCH RFC v7 00/22] Modernize the build system In-Reply-To: (Patrick Steinhardt's message of "Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:05:05 +0100") References: <20241115-pks-meson-v7-0-47ec19b780b2@pks.im> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 08:39:12 +0900 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Patrick Steinhardt writes: > But for the second group I'm sceptical whether these really should be > configurable by the developer. Why would you care whether you use > `uintmax_t` provided by the system or by Git as a compat macro? I don't > see a strong reason to let the developer override this in a build system > that knows to auto-detect the availability of such features. > > Now as said, there may be cases where it indeed is useful, but in > general I don't think it is. I think we are on the same page, then. When you said "detect", my primarily thought was "uintmax_t and the presense of OpenSSL are both auto-detectable, but the latter is a choice---forcing folks to fight again to support the choice is unnice", while auto-detection of the former in my mind was a given (perhaps think of "make + autoconf" in an ideal world as a baseline for comparison). There may be cases where it may be handy to pretend that types and library functions your system offers do _not_ exist, for various purposes like test-building or performance tuning, but these purposes are of lessor importance than exclusion by policy, I would say.