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Tue, 2 Sep 2025 16:33:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Junio C Hamano To: jorg@ml1.net Cc: git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Still using "git whatchanged" In-Reply-To: <6597b201-8087-462e-adc0-0ddaa8a7402e@app.fastmail.com> (jorg@ml1.net's message of "Tue, 02 Sep 2025 19:38:31 +0300") References: <74c5f07d-6376-4787-a5e2-bb09abc58ce1@app.fastmail.com> <6597b201-8087-462e-adc0-0ddaa8a7402e@app.fastmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2025 13:33:26 -0700 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain jorg@ml1.net writes: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2025, at 19:29, Junio C Hamano wrote: >> jorg@ml1.net writes: >> >>> apart from what's stated in the subject, I think it's not logical >>> to use "--raw" when I want to see what has changed. >>> >>> "git log" shows me the log. What's the raw part about wanting to >>> see what's changed? >> >> But that is what "git whatchanged" gives, so when one is so attached to >> what "git whatchanged" does, "--raw" is what we cite as "compatible" >> option. > > My point was merely that IMO "raw" is not the best name for that > option. When I specify "--raw" on the command line, I usually > expect the program to output similar data than without that > option, but of a less refined state or kind. Sorry, but you are 20 years too late for *that* party. Once you invent a time machine and go back 20 years, you can advocate for different name(s) that may fit your personal preferences better there. But not here and not now.