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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	 git@vger.kernel.org,  Igor Todorovski <itodorov@ca.ibm.com>,
	 Bence Ferdinandy <bence@ferdinandy.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/9] fetch: ask server to advertise HEAD for config-less fetch
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2025 05:26:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqbju5ru9q.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250313054644.GF94015@coredump.intra.peff.net> (Jeff King's message of "Thu, 13 Mar 2025 01:46:44 -0400")

Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:

>> Any reason to use a bona-fide "commit" here instead of "test_commit"?
>> 
>> Not a big deal either way, of course, I'm just curious.
>
> Nope, I mostly just reach for "git commit" without thinking because
> that's what I naturally do while debugging or exploring.
>
> But since you asked...;)
>
> I do find test_commit a bit bloated in general.  It takes several
> commands versus one, leaves cruft files in the working tree (that you
> need to care about not using again, lest your commit fail with "no
> changes"), and by default makes tags that sometimes cause confusion
> about fetching, reachability, and so on.
>
> The one thing it does do that git-commit doesn't is increment test_tick.
> That sometimes is important (if you care about traversal ordering), but
> usually doesn't.
>
> So I dunno. Maybe I am a bad person for not using test_commit by default
> and we should have a style suggestion there.

FWIW, my assessment on test_commit exactly matches yours.  The cruft
files it creates are often not what I want, the tags left by default
are even worse, and the only good thing about it is the tick support
but even that does not make much of difference in many scenarios.

To its defence, I _suspect_ the automated creation of default
changes were useful back when there were no "allow-empty" support.
But I think it outlived its usefulness.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-13 12:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-30  3:49 Tags are no longer fetched when fetching specific commit Igor Todorovski
2025-02-13 22:38 ` Taylor Blau
2025-02-14 13:53   ` Bence Ferdinandy
2025-02-14 18:35   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-02-21  7:25     ` Jeff King
2025-03-07 23:27 ` [PATCH] fetch: fix following tags when fetching specific OID Taylor Blau
2025-03-07 23:32   ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-08  0:10   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-03-08  3:23   ` Bence Ferdinandy
2025-03-09  3:01   ` [PATCH 0/9] fetch: further ref-prefix cleanups and optimizations Jeff King
2025-03-09  3:01     ` [PATCH 1/9] t5702: fix typo in test name Jeff King
2025-03-12 21:30       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-13  5:37         ` Jeff King
2025-03-09  3:01     ` [PATCH 2/9] t5516: prefer "oid" to "sha1" in some test titles Jeff King
2025-03-09  3:02     ` [PATCH 3/9] t5516: drop NEEDSWORK about v2 reachability behavior Jeff King
2025-03-12 21:30       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-09  3:02     ` [PATCH 4/9] t5516: beef up exact-oid ref prefixes test Jeff King
2025-03-09  3:07     ` [PATCH 5/9] refspec_ref_prefixes(): clean up refspec_item logic Jeff King
2025-03-12 21:38       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-13  5:41         ` Jeff King
2025-03-13 13:26           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-03-17 22:24             ` [PATCH 0/4] refspec: treat 'fetch' as a Boolean value Taylor Blau
2025-03-17 22:24               ` [PATCH 1/4] " Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  0:24                 ` Jeff King
2025-03-18  0:26                   ` Jeff King
2025-03-18 22:44                   ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-17 22:24               ` [PATCH 2/4] refspec: replace `refspec_init()` with fetch/push variants Taylor Blau
2025-03-17 22:24               ` [PATCH 3/4] refspec: remove refspec_item_init_or_die() Taylor Blau
2025-03-17 22:24               ` [PATCH 4/4] refspec: replace `refspec_item_init()` with fetch/push variants Taylor Blau
2025-03-17 23:26               ` [PATCH 0/4] refspec: treat 'fetch' as a Boolean value Junio C Hamano
2025-03-18 22:40                 ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-18 22:50             ` [PATCH v2 " Taylor Blau
2025-03-18 22:50               ` [PATCH v2 1/4] " Taylor Blau
2025-03-18 22:50               ` [PATCH v2 2/4] refspec: replace `refspec_init()` with fetch/push variants Taylor Blau
2025-03-18 22:50               ` [PATCH v2 3/4] refspec: remove refspec_item_init_or_die() Taylor Blau
2025-03-18 22:50               ` [PATCH v2 4/4] refspec: replace `refspec_item_init()` with fetch/push variants Taylor Blau
2025-03-19 15:31               ` [PATCH v2 0/4] refspec: treat 'fetch' as a Boolean value Elijah Newren
2025-03-17 22:00           ` [PATCH 5/9] refspec_ref_prefixes(): clean up refspec_item logic Taylor Blau
2025-03-17 23:25             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-03-18 22:47               ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-09  3:08     ` [PATCH 6/9] fetch: ask server to advertise HEAD for config-less fetch Jeff King
2025-03-12 21:43       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-13  5:46         ` Jeff King
2025-03-13 12:26           ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2025-03-17 22:23             ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-09  3:10     ` [PATCH 7/9] fetch: stop protecting additions to ref-prefix list Jeff King
2025-03-12 21:45       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-09  3:20     ` [PATCH 8/9] fetch: avoid ls-refs only to ask for HEAD symref update Jeff King
2025-03-13 15:53       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-03-17 18:06         ` Jeff King
2025-03-17 19:01           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-03-18  5:39             ` [PATCH 0/2] limiting followRemoteHEAD being used Jeff King
2025-03-18  5:40               ` [PATCH 1/2] fetch: only respect followRemoteHEAD with configured refspecs Jeff King
2025-03-18 23:02                 ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  5:41               ` [PATCH 2/2] fetch: don't ask for remote HEAD if followRemoteHEAD is "never" Jeff King
2025-03-18 19:18               ` [PATCH 0/2] limiting followRemoteHEAD being used Junio C Hamano
2025-03-18 23:02                 ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-09  3:21     ` [PATCH 9/9] fetch: use ref prefix list to skip ls-refs Jeff King
2025-03-12 21:29     ` [PATCH 0/9] fetch: further ref-prefix cleanups and optimizations Taylor Blau
2025-03-12 21:49       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-13  5:50         ` Jeff King

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