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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
Cc: Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org,  Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de,  ps@pks.im,
	james@jamesliu.io,  peff@peff.net,  gombasgg@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] [RFC] advice: refuse to output if stderr not TTY
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 09:25:13 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqcym0sexi.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e90949ed-8065-4498-9ddb-3d5c6afa7b35@gmail.com> (Derrick Stolee's message of "Thu, 22 Aug 2024 09:15:42 -0400")

Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com> writes:

> On 8/21/24 7:02 AM, Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget wrote:
>> Advice is supposed to be for humans, not machines. Why do we output it when
>> stderr is not a terminal? Let's stop doing that.
>> I'm labeling this as an RFC because I believe there is some risk
>> with this
>> change. 
>
> Thanks, all, for the feedback about the risk of making such a change. I
> agree that we should not pursue this direction.
>
> The main issues are:
>
>  1. Some tools create a wrapper around Git and may want to supply the
>     advice to the user by parsing stderr.

Or they may just pass it through to the user without even parsing.

>  2. The advice system has been on for a long time and we cannot know
>     where other dependencies could be for it.
>
> I'll abandon this RFC, but plan on the following action items:
>
>  * Document GIT_ADVICE in Documentation/git.exe.
>
>  * Modify Documentation/config/advice.txt to mention GIT_ADVICE and
>    recommend that automated tools calling Git commands set it to zero.

FWIW, not documenting it was very much deliberate to discourage
folks placing it in their ~/.login file.  I am OK with the above as
long as "this is for tools" is stressed well enough.

      reply	other threads:[~2024-08-22 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-21 11:02 [PATCH 0/7] [RFC] advice: refuse to output if stderr not TTY Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-08-21 11:02 ` [PATCH 1/7] t1000-2000: add GIT_ADVICE=1 for advice tests Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-08-21 11:02 ` [PATCH 2/7] t3000-4000: add GIT_ADVICE=1 to " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-08-21 11:02 ` [PATCH 3/7] t5000: " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-08-21 11:02 ` [PATCH 4/7] t6000: " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-08-21 11:02 ` [PATCH 5/7] t7000: " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-08-21 11:02 ` [PATCH 6/7] t7508/12: set GIT_ADVICE=1 across all tests Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-08-21 11:02 ` [PATCH 7/7] advice: refuse to output if stderr not TTY Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-08-21 15:40 ` [PATCH 0/7] [RFC] " Jeff King
2024-08-21 16:39   ` Junio C Hamano
2024-08-21 16:36 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-08-22  6:19   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-08-22  6:03 ` Gabor Gombas
2024-08-22 13:15 ` Derrick Stolee
2024-08-22 16:25   ` Junio C Hamano [this message]

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