From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826EBC433B4 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 16:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E346113A for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 16:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S234874AbhDJQn3 (ORCPT ); Sat, 10 Apr 2021 12:43:29 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp21.pobox.com ([173.228.157.53]:65163 "EHLO pb-smtp21.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S234871AbhDJQn1 (ORCPT ); Sat, 10 Apr 2021 12:43:27 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp21.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35730127321; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 12:43:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=sasl; bh=MH8SaHusiCzBSWbm/t3z1Q0AlAg=; b=te1LAGU7jY5p8aVaWsb3 iiCmtbC3wc9p4VvySSYbGmQsr7Elk4ZmPIQWRDwuWqBu7eLKprd/NBzxxoIX4A55 cVkuJvnhDUAo7HnqfeIrnTFgtctuC2G0TBxdHf2YRoy81qOLaak4aafbwwNzA8H4 Qc18T2S0Rko3uEPSQDY0tMk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=aiJH4XhKsTmN//F7o7dGWv41ymb+uV3quF0xLXPEhjRAVx wS1dH1mDfwnk3z1uVEBBcXp5odzM1hIsh3fYxtu7griP2Px/mUZb6WzoNoVVFFx8 Ew5Kl6h/HDjGUe30wjHD8PYf5JNbatJtbuCqpsDw634g2uIOrAp4cETbkyFHU= Received: from pb-smtp21.sea.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231AF127320; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 12:43:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [34.74.119.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 395BB12731F; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 12:43:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) From: Junio C Hamano To: "Drew DeVault" Cc: "brian m. carlson" , Subject: Re: [PATCH] send-email: clarify SMTP encryption settings References: <20210409211812.3869-1-sir@cmpwn.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 09:43:05 -0700 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Pobox-Relay-ID: D3C291EE-9A1B-11EB-A94B-D609E328BF65-77302942!pb-smtp21.pobox.com Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org "Drew DeVault" writes: > On Fri Apr 9, 2021 at 9:39 PM EDT, brian m. carlson wrote: >> Since I agree that "ssl/tls" may be a bit confusing, maybe we could call >> that option "wrapped" or "tunneled"? Other names are possible, of >> course. > > I would prefer to name the options after the terms we can expect the > user to find in their mail service provider's documentation, hence > SSL/TLS and STARTTLS. Though I can see the confusion in including the > slash, I'll figure something else out. OK. * My e-mail provider [*] seems to label these two as SSL/TLS (sometimes just TLS) and STARTTLS, but that is aligning how the popular client programs call these two methods, so it may not be a good datapoint. * GMail help page [*] seems to use 'SSL' vs 'STARTTLS' (they seem to support both). * Outlook.live.com/ help page [*] says they want you to use 'STARTTLS' for SMTP, but they use 'SSL/TLS' to describe their IMAP and POP offerings. With the above limited samples, I agree that the choices between 'SSL/TLS' and 'STARTTLS' would appear familiar to our end-users. [Reference] * https://helpspot.pobox.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=118 https://helpspot.pobox.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=125 https://helpspot.pobox.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=399 * https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7126229?hl=en * https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/pop-imap-and-stmp-settings-8361e398-8af4-4e97-b147-6c6c4ac95353