From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org,
Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
"D. Ben Knoble" <ben.knoble@gmail.com>,
Harald Nordgren <haraldnordgren@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 0/5] fetch: avoid fetching every branch of a new remote in a shallow repo
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2026 08:44:18 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqh5i8tqjx.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <101723fc-d392-4000-b224-345c610b2aaa@gmail.com> (Phillip Wood's message of "Mon, 26 Oct 2026 09:43:07 +0000")
Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com> writes:
> I've just read through the commit messages and documentation changes and
> I think it is a mistake to use a single config variable to configure
> where fetched refs are stored and which refs are fetched. The problem
> this series tries to solve is that the default refspec fetches all the
> branches from the remote and it's not possible to use that mapping and
> also restrict which branches are fetched. To fix that it introduces a
> new config setting to configure where the refs are stored which is good,
> but it then uses the presence of that setting to implicitly configure
> the default set of refs to fetch. To me that repeats the mistake of the
> existing fetch config.
>
> It would be much more flexible if we had a separate config setting
> (maybe remote.<name>.fetchRefs) to describe which refs are fetched.
Good point.
When I wrote the refmap feature (without configuration variable)
long time ago, one of the goals was to allow me to say
$ git fetch cabal \
--refmap="+refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/cabal/*" \
maint master next
That is, "here is the place I grab from there are stored" and
"maint master next are the things I grab from there" are specified
separately. With the configuration variable added in this series,
$ git config set remote.cabal.refmap "+refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/cabal/*"
$ git fetch cabal master next seen
should become possible with the same behaviour. I am not sure
offhand if this series does that, but I would consider it a bug if
it does not.
In any case, this series, since it lacks the separate setting, takes
the lack of "what to fetch" on the command line (and perhaps lack of
remote.cabal.fetch???) as a sign to trigger this new feature to
guess what to fetch based on what is tracked by the local branches.
For now, as this "what is tracked by the local branches" is the only
kind of smart that was designed to decide what to fetch, it may be OK
to use "you gave me nothing to specify what to fetch, so I'll guess
using the smart". But when we introduce more kinds of smart later,
this becomes a problem. So I do agree with you that we should have
something to specifically say "when I do not explicitly give you
what to fetch, decide based on what local branches track".
> That
> setting could accept something like "*@{upstream}" to "mean fetch the
> upstream branches of my local branches that live on this remote" which
> would cover what this series wants. I think it would be useful to
> support "+" and "^" prefixes on the refs to fetch as well, so that the
> refmap config controls the mapping and the "what to fetch" config
> handles negation and forced updates on a per-ref basis.
The reasoning here is slightly wrong. "^" (not) may be good thing
to consider as it is to decide what to fetch, but "+" (overwrite)
should be on the refmap side, i.e., where to store. If you are not
storing, then "overwrite what I have with non-fast-forward" becomes
a nonsense request, and that is why it does not belong to "what to
fetch".
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-26 15:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-19 14:47 [PATCH] fetch: add config to avoid fetching every branch in shallow repo Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-09-21 13:28 ` Phillip Wood
2026-09-21 21:45 ` Harald Nordgren
2026-09-22 13:00 ` Harald Nordgren
2026-09-22 14:53 ` Phillip Wood
2026-09-22 15:37 ` Harald Nordgren
2026-09-23 15:14 ` Phillip Wood
2026-09-22 17:11 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-09-22 21:40 ` Harald Nordgren
2026-09-23 15:19 ` Phillip Wood
2026-09-23 15:34 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-09-23 16:55 ` D. Ben Knoble
2026-09-23 19:50 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-09-24 17:10 ` D. Ben Knoble
2026-09-24 18:02 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-09-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2] fetch: avoid fetching every branch of a new remote in a " Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-09-23 21:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-09-25 10:49 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] " Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-09-25 10:49 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] fetch: add remote.<name>.refmap Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-09-25 22:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-09-25 10:50 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] fetch: infer branches to fetch from a refmap-only remote Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-09-25 23:26 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-09-25 10:50 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] remote: add "git remote add --limited-fetch" Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-09-25 10:50 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] remote: default to --limited-fetch in a shallow repository Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-09-29 9:19 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] fetch: avoid fetching every branch of a new remote in a shallow repo Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-09-29 9:19 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] fetch: add remote.<name>.refmap Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-09-29 9:19 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] fetch: infer branches to fetch from a refmap-only remote Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-09-29 9:27 ` Harald Nordgren
2026-09-29 20:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-09-29 9:19 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] remote: add "git remote add --limited-fetch" Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-09-29 9:19 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] remote: default to --limited-fetch in a shallow repository Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-09-29 19:36 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] fetch: avoid fetching every branch of a new remote in a shallow repo Junio C Hamano
2026-10-02 7:13 ` [PATCH v5 " Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-02 7:13 ` [PATCH v5 1/4] fetch: add remote.<name>.refmap Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-02 7:13 ` [PATCH v5 2/4] fetch: infer branches to fetch from a refmap-only remote Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-02 7:13 ` [PATCH v5 3/4] remote: add "git remote add --limited-fetch" Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-02 16:28 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-10-02 7:13 ` [PATCH v5 4/4] remote: default to --limited-fetch in a shallow repository Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-04 8:31 ` [PATCH v6 0/4] fetch: avoid fetching every branch of a new remote in a shallow repo Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-04 8:31 ` [PATCH v6 1/4] fetch: add remote.<name>.refmap Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-04 8:31 ` [PATCH v6 2/4] fetch: infer branches to fetch from a refmap-only remote Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-04 8:31 ` [PATCH v6 3/4] remote: add "git remote add --limited-fetch" Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-04 8:31 ` [PATCH v6 4/4] remote: default to --limited-fetch in a shallow repository Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-04 17:17 ` [PATCH v6 0/4] fetch: avoid fetching every branch of a new remote in a shallow repo Junio C Hamano
2026-10-04 19:51 ` Harald Nordgren
2026-10-05 12:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-10-05 18:09 ` Harald Nordgren
2026-10-07 21:56 ` [PATCH v7 " Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-07 21:56 ` [PATCH v7 1/4] fetch: add remote.<name>.refmap Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-07 21:56 ` [PATCH v7 2/4] fetch: infer branches to fetch from a refmap-only remote Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-08 16:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-10-09 7:05 ` Harald Nordgren
2026-10-09 8:09 ` Harald Nordgren
2026-10-07 21:56 ` [PATCH v7 3/4] remote: add "git remote add --limited-fetch" Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-07 21:56 ` [PATCH v7 4/4] remote: default to --limited-fetch in a shallow repository Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-10 8:02 ` [PATCH v8 0/5] fetch: avoid fetching every branch of a new remote in a shallow repo Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-10 8:02 ` [PATCH v8 1/5] fetch: add remote.<name>.refmap Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-10 8:02 ` [PATCH v8 2/5] fetch: extract collect_upstream_from_remote() helper Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-10 17:11 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-10-10 18:36 ` Harald Nordgren
2026-10-10 8:02 ` [PATCH v8 3/5] fetch: infer branches to fetch from a refmap-only remote Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-10 8:02 ` [PATCH v8 4/5] remote: add "git remote add --limited-fetch" Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-10 17:16 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-10-10 8:02 ` [PATCH v8 5/5] remote: default to --limited-fetch in a shallow repository Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-14 7:04 ` [PATCH v9 0/5] fetch: avoid fetching every branch of a new remote in a shallow repo Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-14 7:04 ` [PATCH v9 1/5] fetch: add remote.<name>.refmap Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-14 7:04 ` [PATCH v9 2/5] fetch: extract collect_upstream_from_remote() helper Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-14 7:04 ` [PATCH v9 3/5] fetch: infer branches to fetch from a refmap-only remote Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-14 7:04 ` [PATCH v9 4/5] remote: add "git remote add --limited-fetch" Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-14 7:04 ` [PATCH v9 5/5] remote: default to --limited-fetch in a shallow repository Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-20 13:42 ` [PATCH v10 0/5] fetch: avoid fetching every branch of a new remote in a shallow repo Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-20 13:42 ` [PATCH v10 1/5] fetch: add remote.<name>.refmap Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-24 15:08 ` D. Ben Knoble
2026-10-24 17:18 ` Harald Nordgren
2026-10-25 14:14 ` D. Ben Knoble
2026-10-25 16:47 ` Harald Nordgren
2026-10-25 22:15 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-10-26 8:21 ` Harald Nordgren
2026-10-26 15:48 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-10-26 10:44 ` Phillip Wood
2026-10-26 15:51 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-10-26 9:44 ` Phillip Wood
2026-10-20 13:42 ` [PATCH v10 2/5] fetch: extract collect_upstream_from_remote() helper Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-24 15:08 ` D. Ben Knoble
2026-10-25 17:20 ` Harald Nordgren
2026-10-20 13:42 ` [PATCH v10 3/5] fetch: infer branches to fetch from a refmap-only remote Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-24 15:09 ` D. Ben Knoble
2026-10-25 17:27 ` Harald Nordgren
2026-10-20 13:42 ` [PATCH v10 4/5] remote: add "git remote add --limited-fetch" Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-24 15:11 ` D. Ben Knoble
2026-10-20 13:42 ` [PATCH v10 5/5] remote: default to --limited-fetch in a shallow repository Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-24 15:13 ` D. Ben Knoble
2026-10-25 18:12 ` Harald Nordgren
2026-10-23 23:13 ` [PATCH v10 0/5] fetch: avoid fetching every branch of a new remote in a shallow repo Junio C Hamano
2026-10-24 15:15 ` D. Ben Knoble
2026-10-26 9:43 ` Phillip Wood
2026-10-26 15:44 ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2026-10-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v11 " Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v11 1/5] fetch: add remote.<name>.refmap Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v11 2/5] fetch: extract collect_upstream_from_remote() helper Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v11 3/5] fetch: infer branches to fetch from a refmap-only remote Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v11 4/5] remote: add "git remote add --limited-fetch" Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
2026-10-25 20:25 ` [PATCH v11 5/5] remote: default to --limited-fetch in a shallow repository Harald Nordgren via GitGitGadget
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