From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>
Cc: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>,
phillip.wood@dunelm.org.uk,
Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org, james@jamesliu.io,
"brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] git: add --no-hooks global option
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 07:28:08 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqh62oi3k7.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a5632198-9e04-4302-a3c9-1cbf0f0cad65@gmail.com> (Phillip Wood's message of "Wed, 16 Apr 2025 11:29:13 +0100")
Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com> writes:
>> I don't read a strong reason in your message that this is a _bad_
>> idea either. As in, there's nothing that hints that this will cause
>> significant harm to users other than providing a new footgun (and we
>> have plenty of those for folks willing to look, including the
>> _existence_ of hooks).
>
> It is certainly not a terrible idea given that it is possible to
> disable hooks already but I'm not clear what the motivation is. I
> don't find the example of a skipping a pre-commit hook persuasive as
> we already provide a convenient way for users to skip that
> hook. Elsewhere in this thread you mention the "pre-command" and
> "post-command" hooks but they are not part of git - if a fork is
> running its own hooks and that is causing problems for users I'm not
> sure we want to change the upstream project to address that. If there
> was a clearer motivation it would be easier to understand the benefits
> of this change.
Thanks for pushing back. The default for any new changes is not to
apply unless there is a compelling reason why it is a good idea,
saying that this is not a bad thing does not serve as an effective
justification.
If we want to give scripters a more stable foundation to build on,
the answer should not be to pile more and more "no hooks, no
configurations, just a vanilla mode of operation" options to
end-user facing porcelain commands, but to clean up the internal
implementation of such porcelain commands to refactor into stable
plumbing commands that scripters can rely on.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-16 14:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-03 22:38 [PATCH] git: add --no-hooks global option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2025-04-03 22:55 ` brian m. carlson
2025-04-04 0:40 ` Derrick Stolee
2025-04-04 14:15 ` Phillip Wood
2025-04-14 10:59 ` Derrick Stolee
2025-04-16 10:29 ` Phillip Wood
2025-04-16 14:28 ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2025-04-16 15:30 ` Derrick Stolee
2025-04-14 15:25 ` Lucas Seiki Oshiro
2025-04-14 21:05 ` brian m. carlson
2025-04-11 18:53 ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-04-16 15:42 ` [PATCH v2] docs: document core.hooksPath=/dev/null Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2025-04-16 16:53 ` Lucas Seiki Oshiro
2025-04-17 0:25 ` Derrick Stolee
2025-04-17 0:39 ` brian m. carlson
2025-04-17 3:42 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-17 16:02 ` Lucas Seiki Oshiro
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