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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
Cc: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	 git@vger.kernel.org,  Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	 "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] hash.h: scaffolding for _fast hashing variants
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2024 10:27:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqh6awlkac.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZtXAhP69zu7cDnsA@tanuki> (Patrick Steinhardt's message of "Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:41:24 +0200")

Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im> writes:

> While the property we care about in the context of this patch series
> indeed is that the second hash is faster, I think the more important
> property is that it's insecure. If I were seeing two APIs, one labelled
> fast and one labelled slow, I would of course pick the fast one. So I
> wonder whether we should rename things accordingly so that developers
> aren't intrigued to pick the fast one without thinking, and also to have
> a more useful signal that stands out to reviewers.

I do not think this topic is going in the direction it set out to,
but if we are to resurrect it by 

 (1) first to ensure that we won't overwrite existing on-disk files
     and other things as needed to safely swap the tail sum to a
     cryptographically insecure hash function;

 (2) devise a transition plan to use a hash function that computes a
     value that is different from SHA-1 (or SHA-256 for that
     matter); and

 (3) pick a hash function that computes a lot faster but is insecure
     and transition to it.

we will need to clearly label the two hash functions as such.

We may also need to consider similar points if we need to name
pseudo random numbers we use, to clarify the requirement of the
caller (e.g., can a caller that wants security use it?).

Thanks.





  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-03 17:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-01 16:03 [PATCH 0/4] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-01 16:03 ` [PATCH 1/4] sha1: do not redefine `platform_SHA_CTX` and friends Taylor Blau
2024-09-02 13:41   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-03 19:34     ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-01 16:03 ` [PATCH 2/4] hash.h: scaffolding for _fast hashing variants Taylor Blau
2024-09-02 13:41   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-03 17:27     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2024-09-03 19:52       ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-03 20:47         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-03 21:24           ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-04  7:05           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-04 14:53             ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-03 19:40     ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-01 16:03 ` [PATCH 3/4] Makefile: allow specifying a SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-02 13:41   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-03 19:43     ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-01 16:03 ` [PATCH 4/4] csum-file.c: use fast SHA-1 implementation when available Taylor Blau
2024-09-02 13:41   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-03  1:22     ` brian m. carlson
2024-09-03 19:50     ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-02  3:41 ` [PATCH 0/4] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Junio C Hamano
2024-09-03 19:48   ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-03 20:44     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-02 14:08 ` brian m. carlson
2024-09-03 19:47   ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-03 22:41     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-04 14:01     ` brian m. carlson
2024-09-05 10:37     ` Jeff King
2024-09-05 15:41       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-05 16:23         ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 16:51           ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-05 17:04             ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 17:51               ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 20:21                 ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 20:27               ` Jeff King
2024-09-05 21:27                 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-05 15:11 ` [PATCH v2 " Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] sha1: do not redefine `platform_SHA_CTX` and friends Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] hash.h: scaffolding for _fast hashing variants Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] Makefile: allow specifying a SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] csum-file.c: use fast SHA-1 implementation when available Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46 ` [PATCH v3 0/9] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 1/9] finalize_object_file(): check for name collision before renaming Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 2/9] finalize_object_file(): refactor unlink_or_warn() placement Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 3/9] finalize_object_file(): implement collision check Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 21:44     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-06 21:51       ` Chris Torek
2024-09-10  6:53       ` Jeff King
2024-09-10 15:14         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-16 10:45     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-16 15:54       ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-16 16:03         ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-17 20:40       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 4/9] pack-objects: use finalize_object_file() to rename pack/idx/etc Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 5/9] i5500-git-daemon.sh: use compile-able version of Git without OpenSSL Taylor Blau
2024-09-11  6:10     ` Jeff King
2024-09-11  6:12       ` Jeff King
2024-09-12 20:28         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-11 15:28       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-11 21:23         ` Jeff King
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 6/9] sha1: do not redefine `platform_SHA_CTX` and friends Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 7/9] hash.h: scaffolding for _fast hashing variants Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 8/9] Makefile: allow specifying a SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 9/9] csum-file.c: use fast SHA-1 implementation when available Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 21:50   ` [PATCH v3 0/9] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Junio C Hamano
2024-09-24 17:32 ` [PATCH v4 0/8] " Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 1/8] finalize_object_file(): check for name collision before renaming Taylor Blau
2024-09-25 17:02     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 2/8] finalize_object_file(): refactor unlink_or_warn() placement Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 3/8] finalize_object_file(): implement collision check Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 20:37     ` Jeff King
2024-09-24 21:59       ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 22:20         ` Jeff King
2024-09-25 18:06           ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 21:32     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-24 22:02       ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 4/8] pack-objects: use finalize_object_file() to rename pack/idx/etc Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 21:34     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 5/8] sha1: do not redefine `platform_SHA_CTX` and friends Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 6/8] hash.h: scaffolding for _unsafe hashing variants Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 7/8] Makefile: allow specifying a SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 8/8] csum-file.c: use unsafe SHA-1 implementation when available Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 20:52   ` [PATCH v4 0/8] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Jeff King
2024-09-25 16:58   ` Elijah Newren
2024-09-25 17:11     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-25 17:22       ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-25 17:22     ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22 ` [PATCH v5 " Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 1/8] finalize_object_file(): check for name collision before renaming Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 2/8] finalize_object_file(): refactor unlink_or_warn() placement Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 3/8] finalize_object_file(): implement collision check Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 4/8] pack-objects: use finalize_object_file() to rename pack/idx/etc Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 5/8] sha1: do not redefine `platform_SHA_CTX` and friends Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 6/8] hash.h: scaffolding for _unsafe hashing variants Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 7/8] Makefile: allow specifying a SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 8/8] csum-file.c: use unsafe SHA-1 implementation when available Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 22:47   ` [PATCH v5 0/8] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Elijah Newren
2024-09-27  0:44     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-27  3:57   ` Jeff King

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