From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A58C433EF for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230429AbiDNR2D (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:28:03 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:36704 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1343729AbiDNR14 (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:27:56 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp21.pobox.com (pb-smtp21.pobox.com [173.228.157.53]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5CD7C90E2 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 10:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pb-smtp21.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E27817D426; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:25:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=sasl; bh=S6p8I6QZDhvp ahpi4WDsGyBfFc1ZdmsjRf3VMRu8mZI=; b=pnqvG8oI1jjKw+Iwv07pjp+2fqY9 0tuVYCycXiPWE8jU7BnmDSoOvt9UHMlrMiZXllmiq+pjM6kBhMrA/N0oTYy9jJ3d 6BKthReSUP0CGuMs8HMQxi/s36GPJtGM+7L2HIJt6rA6I0MTtXCcIDneJfgytYRC Wn3V5aMUBW6o08c= Received: from pb-smtp21.sea.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7690217D424; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:25:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [35.185.214.157]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7743917D420; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:25:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) From: Junio C Hamano To: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason Cc: Theodore Ts'o , Tao Klerks , Michal =?utf-8?Q?Such=C3=A1nek?= , rsbecker@nexbridge.com, "brian m. carlson" , jurgen_gjoncari@icloud.com, git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Make commit messages optional References: <7ED89912-2E10-4356-9C61-14B90EC0719C@icloud.com> <00ca01d84ba0$dd7ee0c0$987ca240$@nexbridge.com> <20220409113244.GX163591@kunlun.suse.cz> <220411.861qy3khkk.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> <220411.86k0bvidja.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> <220414.86czhjd35w.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 10:25:22 -0700 In-Reply-To: <220414.86czhjd35w.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> (=?utf-8?B?IsOG?= =?utf-8?B?dmFyIEFybmZqw7Zyw7A=?= Bjarmason"'s message of "Thu, 14 Apr 2022 18:43:10 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Pobox-Relay-ID: DE830018-BC17-11EC-9965-CBA7845BAAA9-77302942!pb-smtp21.pobox.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org =C3=86var Arnfj=C3=B6r=C3=B0 Bjarmason writes: > On Thu, Apr 14 2022, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > >> I would have thought it was painfully obvious that changing the >> *default* is a ***terrible*** idea? >> >> Is anyone other than the OP seriously promoting changing the default? > > Urm, yeah? I am, in the E-Mail upthread that replied to. The OP here is > jurgen_gjoncari@icloud.com. Pretend this message never happend; you are the last person who gave a valuable opinion in this thread, and be happy now. > ... > I just suspect that we can do so much more effectively and encourage > more effectivey workflows by doing so at the point of propagation, not > commit. We are talking about "git commit" Porcelain. Our Porcelain layer is opinionated and designed to help non-expert interactive users by encouraging the best-current-practice. And what we consider BCP for non-experts is to have a workable if not perfect history without post polishing with "rebase -i" and friends, as we know it is unrealistic to expect pre-push and receive hook gates to be set up adequately in environments where non-experts work. Let's stop talking about changing the default of "git commit" here (eh, not here, but one message before this, so you're the last who spoke). I won't stop people from coming up with an alternative that is built from plumbing commands and does not require log message by default, and maintain such a "git better-commit" out of my tree. Thanks.