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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: "Julia Evans via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org,  "D. Ben Knoble" <ben.knoble@gmail.com>,
	 Julia Evans <julia@jvns.ca>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/6] doc: git-checkout: clarify DESCRIPTION section
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2025 14:09:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqikhzdz0k.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pull.1962.v3.git.1756918202.gitgitgadget@gmail.com> (Julia Evans via GitGitGadget's message of "Wed, 03 Sep 2025 16:49:56 +0000")

"Julia Evans via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com> writes:

>  * Improve the storytelling in the commit messages
>  * Take a different approach to the git checkout -b description (keep reset
>    in -B, but simplify the description of -B a lot)
>  * Make the description of git checkout [<branch>] more accurate.
>  * Try a different approach to git checkout file.txt ("Discard any unstaged
>    changes...")

Not just you repeat having bulleted list in your proposed log
messages (which I already said something about, remember?), now you
have them in your cover letter, too?  You must be so fond of
bulletted list X-<.

>      @@ Documentation/git-checkout.adoc: $ git log -g -2 HEAD
>       -to checkout these paths out of the index.
>       +When you run `git checkout <something>`, Git tries to guess whether
>       +`<something>` is intended to be a branch, a commit, or a set of file(s),
>      -+and then switches branches, switches commits, or restores the files.
>      ++and then either switches to that branch or commit or restores the
>      ++specified files.

Much better.

>      ++	Switch to _<branch>_. This sets the current branch to _<branch>_ and
>      ++	updates the files in your working directory. Files which are
>      ++	identical in _<branch>_ and your current commit are left unchanged
>      ++	so that you can keep your uncommitted changes to those files.

Here "left unchanged" is technically correct, but somehow it gives
me a (n incorrect) connotation that they are not modified since
HEAD, which is not what you wanted to say at all.  I recall that we
once explained this not as "left unchanged", but as "changes follow
you", and I found the explanation easier to absorb.

I cannot come up with a good way to remove duplicates in the
following desciption, but what we want the reader to understand are
twofold:

 * For paths that are not identical between HEAD and the _<branch>_
   you are switching to, you MUST NOT have a local change.  After
   you switch to _<branch>_, these paths in the working tree match
   that of the _<branch_>.  This is to avoid losing your local
   changes.

 * For paths that are identical between HEAD and the _<branch>_ you
   are switching to, you may have local modifications, and they
   follow you to the switched-to _<branch>_.

>      ++`git checkout -b <new-branch> [<start-point>]`::
>      ++
>      ++	Create a new branch named _<new-branch>_, start it at _<start-point>_
>      ++	(defaults to the current commit), and check out the new branch.
>      ++	You can use the `--track` or `--no-track` options to set the branch's
>      ++	upstream tracking information.
>        +
>      ++This fails without making any changes if there's an error checking out
>      ++_<new-branch>_, for example if checking out the `<start-point>`
>      ++commit would overwrite your uncommitted changes.

OK.  Do people understand "making a(ny) changes" refers to creation
of the new branch, I have to wonder, but if so, the above is much
much nicer than the original text.

    This fails without doing anything and without creating a new
    branch, if checking out the <start-point> has to overwrite your
    uncommitted changes.

might be slightly better?  I dunno.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-09-03 21:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-25 19:08 [PATCH 0/5] doc: git-checkout: clarify DESCRIPTION section Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-25 19:08 ` [PATCH 1/5] doc: git-checkout: clarify intro Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-26 18:46   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-26 18:51     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-26 20:56     ` Julia Evans
2025-08-28 14:00   ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-08-28 22:34     ` Julia Evans
2025-08-28 23:44       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-29 13:39         ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-08-29 21:00     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-03 23:48       ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-08-25 19:08 ` [PATCH 2/5] doc: git-checkout: clarify `git checkout <branch>` Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-26 21:38   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-28 12:11     ` Julia Evans
2025-08-28 15:45       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-28 18:24         ` Julia Evans
2025-08-25 19:08 ` [PATCH 3/5] doc: git-checkout: don't use "reset" Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-25 19:08 ` [PATCH 4/5] doc: git-checkout: deduplicate --detach explanation Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-25 19:08 ` [PATCH 5/5] doc: git-checkout: clarify restoring files section Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-26 22:43   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-28 13:26     ` Julia Evans
2025-08-28 19:08   ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-08-28 19:59     ` Julia Evans
2025-08-28 20:38       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-29 13:48       ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-08-29 11:45 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] doc: git-checkout: clarify DESCRIPTION section Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-29 11:45   ` [PATCH v2 1/5] doc: git-checkout: clarify intro Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-29 15:58     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-02 17:14       ` Julia Evans
2025-08-29 11:45   ` [PATCH v2 2/5] doc: git-checkout: clarify `git checkout <branch>` Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-29 16:03     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-02 17:16       ` Julia Evans
2025-08-29 11:45   ` [PATCH v2 3/5] doc: git-checkout: don't use "reset" Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-29 16:22     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-01 14:28       ` Julia Evans
2025-09-02 16:10         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-29 11:45   ` [PATCH v2 4/5] doc: git-checkout: deduplicate --detach explanation Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-08-29 11:45   ` [PATCH v2 5/5] doc: git-checkout: clarify restoring files section Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-09-03 16:49   ` [PATCH v3 0/6] doc: git-checkout: clarify DESCRIPTION section Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-09-03 16:49     ` [PATCH v3 1/6] doc: git-checkout: clarify intro Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-09-03 16:49     ` [PATCH v3 2/6] doc: git-checkout: clarify `git checkout <branch>` Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-09-03 16:49     ` [PATCH v3 3/6] doc: git-checkout: clarify `-b` and `-B` Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-09-03 16:50     ` [PATCH v3 4/6] doc: git-checkout: deduplicate --detach explanation Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-09-03 16:50     ` [PATCH v3 5/6] doc: git-checkout: split up restoring files section Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-09-03 16:50     ` [PATCH v3 6/6] doc: git-checkout: clarify " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-09-03 21:29       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-03 21:09     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2025-09-03 21:28       ` [PATCH v3 0/6] doc: git-checkout: clarify DESCRIPTION section Julia Evans
2025-09-10 19:14     ` [PATCH v4 0/7] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-09-10 19:14       ` [PATCH v4 1/7] doc: git-checkout: clarify intro sentence Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-09-10 19:14       ` [PATCH v4 2/7] doc: git-checkout: clarify ARGUMENT DISAMBIGUATION Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-09-10 19:14       ` [PATCH v4 3/7] doc: git-checkout: clarify `git checkout <branch>` Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-09-10 19:14       ` [PATCH v4 4/7] doc: git-checkout: clarify `-b` and `-B` Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-09-29 18:07         ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-02 18:37           ` [PATCH] doc: git-checkout: fix placeholder markup kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-10-16 22:11             ` [PATCH resend] " kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-10-17 13:56               ` Julia Evans
2025-10-17 15:50               ` [PATCH v2] " kristofferhaugsbakk
2025-09-10 19:14       ` [PATCH v4 5/7] doc: git-checkout: deduplicate --detach explanation Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-09-10 19:14       ` [PATCH v4 6/7] doc: git-checkout: split up restoring files section Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-09-10 19:14       ` [PATCH v4 7/7] doc: git-checkout: clarify " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-09-11 13:01       ` [PATCH v4 0/7] doc: git-checkout: clarify DESCRIPTION section Ben Knoble
2025-09-12 14:05         ` Julia Evans
2025-09-12 14:26           ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-15 23:22             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-16  6:41               ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-12 16:23           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-17 18:38       ` Junio C Hamano

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