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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Aditya Garg <gargaditya08@live.com>
Cc: Julian Swagemakers <julian@swagemakers.org>,
	 git@vger.kernel.org,  M Hickford <mirth.hickford@gmail.com>,
	 sandals@crustytoothpaste.net, Shengyu Qu <wiagn233@outlook.com>,
	 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	 Erik Huelsmann <ehuels@gmail.com>,
	 Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com>,
	 Yao Zi <ziyao@disroot.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] send-email: add --[no-]outlook-id-fix option
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 09:24:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqldrj6imh.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PN3PR01MB9597274E541169BDB8DC4297B8802@PN3PR01MB9597.INDPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> (Aditya Garg's message of "Tue, 29 Apr 2025 10:52:47 +0000")

Aditya Garg <gargaditya08@live.com> writes:

> +--[no-]outlook-id-fix::
> +	Outlook servers discard the Message-ID sent via email and assign a
> +	new random Message-ID, thus breaking threads.
> ++
> +--
> +- '--outlook-id-fix' will attempt to retrieve the ID from the server
> +  irrespective of the SMTP server being used. Use only if Microsoft is your
> +  email provider.
> +- '--no-outlook-id-fix' will disable this tweak irrespective of the SMTP
> +  server being used.
> +--
> ++
> +If not specified, the default behaviour will be to enable the tweak only if the
> +SMTP server is 'smtp.office365.com' or 'smtp-mail.outlook.com'.

I found "irrespective of the SMTP server being used" part a bit
confusing, which seemed to contradict with the next sentence to tell
you to use it only against Outlook based servers.

After reading the "If not specified" part, I can sort of guess that
you wanted to "irrespective" mean "even when we are (or are not)
talking to outlook.com", but it is still a confusing description.

Would the following work better, I wonder...?

	Microsoft Outlook SMTP servers ..., thus breaking threads.

	With `--outlook-id-fix`, "git send-email" uses a mechanism
	specific to Outlook servers to learn the Message-ID the
	server assigned to fix the threading.  Use it only when you
	know that the server reports the rewritten Message-ID the
	same way as Outlook servers do.

	Without this option specified, the fix is done by default
	when talking to smtp.office365.com or smtp-mail.outlook.com.
	Use `--no-outlook-id-fix` to disable even when talking to
	these two servers.

Thanks.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-04-29 16:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-23 12:19 [PATCH v4 0/3] send-email: add oauth2 support and fix outlook breaking threads Aditya Garg
2025-04-23 12:19 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] send-email: implement SMTP bearer authentication Aditya Garg
2025-04-23 18:04   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-23 18:33     ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-24  6:36       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-04-24  8:23         ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-23 12:19 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] send-email: retrieve Message-ID from outlook SMTP server Aditya Garg
2025-04-23 18:54   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-23 22:52   ` brian m. carlson
2025-04-24  3:42     ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-23 12:19 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] send-email: add option to generate passswords like OAuth2 tokens Aditya Garg
2025-04-23 19:03   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-24  3:29     ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-24 12:43       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-23 20:50 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] send-email: add oauth2 support and fix outlook breaking threads M Hickford
2025-04-24  3:44   ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-24  7:53 ` [PATCH v5 " Aditya Garg
2025-04-24  7:53   ` [PATCH v5 1/3] send-email: implement SMTP bearer authentication Aditya Garg
2025-04-24 12:12     ` Julian Swagemakers
     [not found]     ` <CACOoB6jE=DgpYYaudhqTVDRd2SCz++aog7QYwTQs6-MAD8dBuw@mail.gmail.com>
2025-04-24 18:22       ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-24 19:20         ` Erik Huelsmann
2025-04-25  6:19         ` Julian Swagemakers
2025-04-25  6:25           ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-25  9:45           ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-25 10:17             ` Erik Hulsmann
2025-04-24 18:23       ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-24  7:53   ` [PATCH v5 2/3] send-email: retrieve Message-ID from outlook SMTP server Aditya Garg
2025-04-24 13:09     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-04-26 18:11       ` Yao Zi
2025-04-27 20:05         ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-28  4:16           ` Yao Zi
2025-04-27 19:44       ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-24  7:53   ` [PATCH v5 3/3] send-email: add option to generate passswords like OAuth2 tokens Aditya Garg
2025-04-24 12:28     ` Julian Swagemakers
2025-04-24 12:53       ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-24 15:20         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-24 15:46           ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-24 16:58             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-25 10:09 ` [PATCH v6 0/1] send-email: add oauth2 support and fix outlook breaking threads Aditya Garg
2025-04-25 10:09   ` [PATCH v6 1/1] send-email: retrieve Message-ID from outlook SMTP server Aditya Garg
2025-04-25 15:04     ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-25 16:22       ` Erik Huelsmann
2025-04-25 17:08         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-25 19:05           ` Erik Huelsmann
2025-04-25 19:08             ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-25 17:23     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-25 19:05       ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-26  8:36       ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-26  9:03         ` Eric Sunshine
2025-04-26 17:40           ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-28 16:52         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-28 17:52           ` [PATCH] send-email: add --smtp-outlook-id-tweak option Aditya Garg
2025-04-28 17:57             ` [PATCH v2] " Aditya Garg
2025-04-28 20:47               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-29  3:44                 ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-29 10:52             ` [PATCH v3] send-email: add --[no-]outlook-id-fix option Aditya Garg
2025-04-29 11:00               ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-29 15:57               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-29 16:24               ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2025-04-29 16:26                 ` Aditya Garg
2025-04-29 16:37             ` [PATCH v4] " Aditya Garg
2025-04-29 23:08               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-30  8:31                 ` Aditya Garg

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