From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: "Julia Evans" <julia@jvns.ca>
Cc: "Julia Evans" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org,
"Kristoffer Haugsbakk" <kristofferhaugsbakk@fastmail.com>,
"D. Ben Knoble" <ben.knoble@gmail.com>,
"Patrick Steinhardt" <ps@pks.im>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6] doc: add an explanation of Git's data model
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2025 15:07:59 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqo6pde90w.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <07cca81a-10fd-49aa-b175-17b49e4f1116@app.fastmail.com> (Julia Evans's message of "Fri, 07 Nov 2025 16:40:08 -0500")
"Julia Evans" <julia@jvns.ca> writes:
> I wonder if it would help to de-emphasize the octal representation
> of the file modes, and instead give them names since (from a
> data model section Git's file modes are really more like an enum with
> 5 values than )
>
> Something like this:
>
> Git has 5 file modes:
>
> - *regular file* (with <<object,object type>> `blob`)
> - *executable file* (with type `blob`)
> - *symbolic link* (with type `blob`)
> - *directory* (with type `tree`)
> - *gitlink*, for use with submodules (with type `commit`)
>
> NOTE: Git normally displays file modes in the same format as Unix file modes
> (100644, 100755, 120000, 040000, and 160000 respectively), but file modes are
> only spiritually related to Unix file modes.
Then, I would suggest further deemphasize the "file modes" even
more.
* Git stores/tracks 5 different file types, which are
non-executable files, executable files, symbolic links,
directories, and gitlinks.
* Git uses one bitpattern each to mark these 5 different kinds
of things in tree objects. These bitpatterns were loosely
modelled after UNIX file mode bits.
The first half entirely avoids saying "mode" and that is very
deliberate.
> ... I do not understand in what way this rephrasing helps the
> reader, or how you think the current phrasing might cause confusion for the
> reader.
A branch (or any ref) does *not* *REFERENCE* an ID. They refer to
objects by *recording* an ID. The distinction is not clear with
your wording.
>> Another thing we discussed and a better alternative offered during
>> the last round was "base directory", to which Patrick mentioned
>> "we rather consistently use 'root tree'"
>>
>> cf. https://lore.kernel.org/git/aQhcbHJjiI5GtV6Y@pks.im/
>
> I think it would be better to stick with "directory" here, because I've gotten
> several reader comments saying that they do not understand the
> term "tree" when it is used as a synonym for "directory".
>
> Maybe "root directory"?
I am OK with "root" but that is conditional; only if it is not used
together with the word "directory". We are not talking about "root
directory" where common directories like /usr, /etc, /dev and /tmp
hang immediately below. If we use the word "directory", I'd
strongly prefer to see it with adjective like "top-level" that
implies that it is something different from "root directory" but is
relative to the project in question.
Thanks.
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Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-03 17:34 [PATCH] doc: add a explanation of Git's data model Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-10-03 21:46 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-06 19:36 ` Julia Evans
2025-10-06 21:44 ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-10-06 21:46 ` Julia Evans
2025-10-06 21:55 ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-10-09 13:20 ` Julia Evans
2025-10-08 9:59 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-06 3:32 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-06 19:03 ` Julia Evans
2025-10-07 12:37 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-07 16:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-07 14:32 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-07 17:02 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-07 19:30 ` Julia Evans
2025-10-07 20:01 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-07 18:39 ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-10-07 18:55 ` Julia Evans
2025-10-08 4:18 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-08 15:53 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-08 19:06 ` Julia Evans
2025-10-08 13:53 ` [PATCH v2] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-10-10 11:51 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-13 14:48 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-14 5:45 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-14 9:18 ` Julia Evans
2025-10-14 11:45 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-14 13:39 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-14 21:12 ` [PATCH v3] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-10-15 6:24 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-15 15:34 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-15 17:20 ` Julia Evans
2025-10-15 20:42 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-16 14:21 ` Julia Evans
2025-10-15 19:58 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-16 15:19 ` Julia Evans
2025-10-16 16:54 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-16 18:59 ` Julia Evans
2025-10-16 20:48 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-16 15:24 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-20 16:37 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-20 18:01 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-27 19:32 ` [PATCH v4] doc: add an " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-10-27 21:54 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-28 20:10 ` Julia Evans
2025-10-28 20:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-30 20:32 ` [PATCH v5] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-10-31 14:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-03 7:40 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-11-03 15:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-03 19:43 ` Julia Evans
2025-11-04 1:34 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-04 15:45 ` Julia Evans
2025-11-04 20:53 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-04 21:24 ` Julia Evans
2025-11-04 23:45 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-05 0:02 ` Julia Evans
2025-11-05 3:21 ` Ben Knoble
2025-11-05 16:26 ` Julia Evans
2025-11-06 3:07 ` Ben Knoble
2025-10-31 21:49 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-03 7:40 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-11-03 19:52 ` Julia Evans
2025-11-07 19:52 ` [PATCH v6] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-11-07 21:03 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-07 21:23 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-07 21:40 ` Julia Evans
2025-11-07 23:07 ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2025-11-08 19:43 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-09 0:48 ` Ben Knoble
2025-11-09 4:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-10 15:56 ` Julia Evans
2025-11-11 10:13 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-11 13:07 ` Ben Knoble
2025-11-11 15:24 ` Julia Evans
2025-11-12 19:16 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-12 22:49 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-13 19:50 ` Julia Evans
2025-11-13 20:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-13 20:18 ` Julia Evans
2025-11-13 20:34 ` Chris Torek
2025-11-13 23:11 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-12 19:53 ` [PATCH v7] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2025-11-12 20:26 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-23 2:37 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-12-01 8:14 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-12-02 12:25 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-09 14:20 ` [PATCH] doc: add a " Julia Evans
2025-10-10 0:42 ` Ben Knoble
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