From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EB51F463 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 17:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S2391029AbfITRsV (ORCPT ); Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:48:21 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp2.pobox.com ([64.147.108.71]:61186 "EHLO pb-smtp2.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S2389956AbfITRsV (ORCPT ); Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:48:21 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp2.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BA72DB9B; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:48:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=6QvkG3+EnU/YuIAr+zb8F2KXfmI=; b=qfftd/ P6tjgOFb8bL6z4pdyHzTbwtkG9rmCreZPYhGwPSA7fTWVm2VMWgV3nhR6qNWoFIU ygGmGu0GNSx0H9oPlpDp6n4gqFCiyVUXwqh2vyxoUgZE1FMjOxhVpiZB50leeNnh W6Eq6K/TjitxoVl0z8TakDuAXuxTxE3hW2shU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=n1DaEieDmIA4aLaCRNj4ctkNNfrXa7G+ /m9oFbJliqaEs9UzVcMUE9YOufGK6eUdsUXKVahhczorIAzBKH+GLbleljQuI2Bl ClQ26wSauPr1RBMmMtYDY/MN1Si3VSXT/OaPu0PAxjNP0hotR/VFS5VNKDnqOo8w EV/LljRrOZw= Received: from pb-smtp2.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03CC2DB9A; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:48:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [34.76.80.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4CFB02DB99; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:48:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) From: Junio C Hamano To: Jeff King Cc: Denton Liu , Derrick Stolee , "git\@vger.kernel.org" , Emily Shaffer , Jonathan Nieder , Johannes Schindelin , garimasigit@gmail.com Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Growing the Git community References: <71fba9e7-6314-6ef9-9959-6ae06843d17a@gmail.com> <20190919173423.GA70421@dentonliu-ltm.internal.salesforce.com> <20190919222607.GA25680@sigill.intra.peff.net> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 10:48:17 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20190919222607.GA25680@sigill.intra.peff.net> (Jeff King's message of "Thu, 19 Sep 2019 18:26:07 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Pobox-Relay-ID: D450E456-DBCE-11E9-ABF6-D1361DBA3BAF-77302942!pb-smtp2.pobox.com Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Jeff King writes: > I've had similar thoughts over the years, but eventually switched my way > of thinking. I think part of that switch was coming to the conclusion > that most of the value of a Code of Conduct isn't about having a system > of enforcement against bad actors (in fact, I think that's the most > difficult and potentially problematic part, because it creates a sort of > justice system). IMHO the most important part is that it communicates > and reinforces norms: > > - It lets good actors easily understand what the expectations are. > > - It gives a framework for agreed-upon principles, so that people can > more easily and productively discuss the conflicts that do happen. > > - It advertises our values to people outside the community, which may > help make us more inviting for people to join (and ultimately > contribute code, or docs, or reviews, etc). And it saves us time when we need to deal with problematic folks. It would have saved a lot of mental energey from me, you, muggerhagger and jrnieder (perhaps I am forgetting others) during the last incident, if we already had one back then.