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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
Cc: "SZEDER Gábor" <szeder.dev@gmail.com>,
	"Patrick Steinhardt" <ps@pks.im>,
	git@vger.kernel.org,
	"Haelwenn (lanodan) Monnier" <contact@hacktivis.me>,
	"Ben Knoble" <ben.knoble@gmail.com>,
	"Christian Brabandt" <cb@256bit.org>,
	"Collin Funk" <collin.funk1@gmail.com>,
	"Eli Schwartz" <eschwartz@gentoo.org>,
	"Elijah Newren" <newren@gmail.com>,
	"Ezekiel Newren" <ezekielnewren@gmail.com>,
	"Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	"Phillip Wood" <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>,
	"Pierre-Emmanuel Patry" <pierre-emmanuel.patry@embecosm.com>,
	"Sam James" <sam@gentoo.org>, "Taylor Blau" <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	"Kristoffer Haugsbakk" <kristofferhaugsbakk@fastmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2025 15:56:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqplbiqeol.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aNHKdFkiGLPcLEjP@fruit.crustytoothpaste.net> (brian m. carlson's message of "Mon, 22 Sep 2025 22:15:16 +0000")

"brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net> writes:


>> As I already said a few times (e.g. <xmqq8qipzhg3.fsf@gitster.g>), I
>> feel that the timeline hinted by any of these documents that were
>> proposed is way too aggressive for affected people to practically
>> prepare for.
>
> I don't think it's substantially more aggressive than the
> interoperability code.  Both are aggressive timelines, but getting LLVM
> ported to some of the affected targets isn't out of the question
> (especially since older versions of it supported some of those targets)
> and once that's done, I'm pretty sure Rust upstream would be on board
> with supporting those systems.

Our timeline being agressive to cause more intense work on our
people is one thing.  It does not make much sense to me to compare
it with the timeline being aggressive to others who do not control
our timeline.

Putting it in another way, I'd call it hopelessly optimistic to
expect that those currently without Rust can somehow come up with a
plan to help their vendors (or they may be vendors themselves, then
convince their management) prepare their platforms to support Rust
within 18 months.  And giving them ultimatum based on the optimism
was never my favorite part of this whole thing.


>> [Footnote]
>> 
>> * By the way, I _think_ I never saw that policy document until
>>   Ezekiel started his topic and sent it out as one of the component
>>   patches; how did it get there from brian to Ezekiel's topic?
>
> I had it in a branch of mine that I was going to submit at some point
> and I mentioned it to Ezekiel, who modified it and incorporated it.  The
> original branch should be `rust` on my remote for those who are
> interested.

I figured that something like that happened.  I was mostly
interested in how firm those original authors supported the version
with Ezekiel's changes, as outsides would not be able to telll how
extensive the change were.

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-22 22:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 207+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-04 14:26 [PATCH RFC 0/3] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 18:50   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05  7:53     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 22:06   ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-04 22:46     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05  7:49       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05  1:16     ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05  7:50       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 13:20         ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 22:37   ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-05  7:54     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 23:39   ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-05  2:00     ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05  7:54       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 13:39         ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-07 20:07   ` Ben Knoble
2025-09-08  4:39     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08 11:39       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09  0:49       ` Ben Knoble
2025-09-09 15:27         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:44     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 17:38   ` Eric Sunshine
2025-09-05  7:54     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/7] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50   ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/7] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 17:47     ` Justin Tobler
2025-09-08  6:42       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:54     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:42       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50   ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/7] Makefile: introduce " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 20:21     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-08  6:40       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:58     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:41       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07 15:26     ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-08  6:41       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50   ` [PATCH RFC v2 3/7] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 19:51     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-07  5:00       ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 4/7] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 21:46     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05 22:39       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05 23:04         ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 5/7] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 12:45     ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-09-05 13:38       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:38         ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-08  6:42           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  5:31         ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:42           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:22       ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 14:32       ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05 19:34         ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-07  5:25     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 6/7] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  0:21     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:41       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 7/7] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 19:56     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-08  6:40       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 21:00     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:40       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:14   ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/7] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 14:28     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:31       ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:44         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 23:00           ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10  8:21             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09  6:33           ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-10  8:21             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09  9:12       ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-10  8:21         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10  9:32           ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-10 10:49             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/8] " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 1/8] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 22:09     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-09  1:03       ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10  8:22       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 2/8] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 3/8] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 4/8] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 5/8] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 17:19     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-08 22:22       ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10  8:22         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 6/8] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 7/8] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 8/8] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:20   ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/8] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-10 15:35 ` [PATCH RFC v4 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-11 21:33     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 21:04     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 21:20     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-15 10:53       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-22 16:24         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-23  5:32           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  8:53             ` LTS "lieutenant", was " Johannes Schindelin
2025-09-24 13:47               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 14:31             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-24 12:53               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-24 17:43                 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-10 21:42     ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-15 10:53       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-11 21:55   ` [PATCH RFC v4 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory brian m. carlson
2025-09-15 10:53     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-12 15:45   ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-12 16:32     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-15 10:50       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22 ` [PATCH v5 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-17 22:09     ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-18  1:19       ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-22 19:34         ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-22 20:59           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-22 22:15             ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-22 22:56               ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2025-09-23  1:59                 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-23  4:54                 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 14:17                   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-23  0:43             ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-19 13:59     ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-22 13:01       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-22 14:07         ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-22 14:38           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 17:12   ` [PATCH v5 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
2025-09-16  2:03   ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-16 10:06     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-17 12:07       ` Sam James
2025-09-17 17:30         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-16 22:25     ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-16 23:38       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-17 18:32         ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-18  3:47   ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-25  1:10   ` what's missing from newer C? [was: [PATCH v5 0/9] Introduce Rust ....] Eric Wong
2025-09-26 22:17     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-04  1:02       ` Eric Wong
2025-10-06  9:13         ` Pierre-Emmanuel Patry
2025-09-19 18:41 ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-09-22 13:01   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45 ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 15:29     ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-23 17:29       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-24  5:03         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 20:15   ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-24  5:02     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-24 14:34       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-25  6:30 ` [PATCH v7 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 21:33     ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-30 13:34     ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-01 17:22       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-02  7:30         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-01 17:21     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-01 19:44       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 16:35   ` [PATCH v7 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
2025-10-01 18:43     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-02  7:29 ` [PATCH v8 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 16:38   ` [PATCH v8 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
2025-10-07  9:59     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 23:35   ` Ezekiel Newren

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