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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org,
	 "Haelwenn (lanodan) Monnier" <contact@hacktivis.me>,
	 "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	 Ben Knoble <ben.knoble@gmail.com>,
	Christian Brabandt <cb@256bit.org>,
	 Collin Funk <collin.funk1@gmail.com>,
	 Eli Schwartz <eschwartz@gentoo.org>,
	 Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>,
	 Ezekiel Newren <ezekielnewren@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	 Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>,
	 Pierre-Emmanuel Patry <pierre-emmanuel.patry@embecosm.com>,
	 Sam James <sam@gentoo.org>,  Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v4 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2025 09:24:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqsegev4jp.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aMfwGHL7dh8dk2cQ@pks.im> (Patrick Steinhardt's message of "Mon, 15 Sep 2025 12:53:12 +0200")

Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im> writes:

>> I am having a hard time imagining the practicality of this "hand
>> over but we still review" arrangement.  Some of the security fixes
>> are embargoed, and the reason why we are jetissoning the stale
>> codebase is presumably because nobody is willing to work on it other
>> than the "community support" folks.  I can imagine that we would
>> qualify them into the git-security cabal and let them use the forum
>> to coordinate among themselves, but then to what degree in the
>> "community support themselves" process is our involvement expected?
>> As long as we can make sure that they do not leak before the
>> official embargoed release, they do not need an official stamp of
>> approval from the project or by the Git maintainer---that is what it
>> means to "hand over maintainer ship", at least to me.
>> 
>> In other words, I like what I see in this paragraph, but I do not
>> think we can practically live with the part of the sentence after
>> the last ", but".
>
> I think the most important part here is that this community-supported
> LTS release should still live in the canonical repositories. We should
> avoid the situation where we hand over maintainership to such a degree
> that the end result (the tagged LTS release) lives somewhere else.

Why is it a bad thing?  The official repository can have a README.md
with a single entry "maintenance releases for Git 2.98 LTS (most
notably with no Rust requirements) are found at this separate site".

> Otherwise we risk chaos and a plethora of different LTS releases, which
> would be harmful both for us and those that rely on the LTS releases.

No risk for that as long as we have a single "go there" pointer, right?

> And yes, that probably means that a trusted LTS maintainer should be on
> git-security@ so that they are aware of upcoming security releases.

Absolutely.

And there should be a community of those who are working on helping
the backporting effort around that LTS maintainer that ensures there
is no "chaos and a plethora of different LTS releases".

We might occasionally update what is listed in "git ls-remote --tags"
from our repository by syncing with them only for convenience, but
the important point is that the community supported LTS should have
its own official site, which is different from the cutting/bleeding
edge.  Most importantly, a coordinated disclosure would say that the
update to versions of

 - Git 3.0 to Git 3.4 are found $HERE, 
 - Git for Windows 3.0, 3.2, and 3.4 are found $THERE
 - Git 2.98 are found $COMMUNITY_LTS

to make sure that people know where to find their updates.

So, no, I do not think we should unnecessarily mix community LTS and
the main project.




  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-22 16:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 207+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-04 14:26 [PATCH RFC 0/3] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 18:50   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05  7:53     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 22:06   ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-04 22:46     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05  7:49       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05  1:16     ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05  7:50       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 13:20         ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 22:37   ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-05  7:54     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 23:39   ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-05  2:00     ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05  7:54       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 13:39         ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-07 20:07   ` Ben Knoble
2025-09-08  4:39     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08 11:39       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09  0:49       ` Ben Knoble
2025-09-09 15:27         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:44     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 17:38   ` Eric Sunshine
2025-09-05  7:54     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/7] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50   ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/7] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 17:47     ` Justin Tobler
2025-09-08  6:42       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:54     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:42       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50   ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/7] Makefile: introduce " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 20:21     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-08  6:40       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:58     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:41       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07 15:26     ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-08  6:41       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50   ` [PATCH RFC v2 3/7] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 19:51     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-07  5:00       ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 4/7] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 21:46     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05 22:39       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05 23:04         ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 5/7] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 12:45     ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-09-05 13:38       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:38         ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-08  6:42           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  5:31         ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:42           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:22       ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 14:32       ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05 19:34         ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-07  5:25     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 6/7] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  0:21     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:41       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 7/7] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 19:56     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-08  6:40       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 21:00     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:40       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:14   ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/7] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 14:28     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:31       ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:44         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 23:00           ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10  8:21             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09  6:33           ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-10  8:21             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09  9:12       ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-10  8:21         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10  9:32           ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-10 10:49             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/8] " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 1/8] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 22:09     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-09  1:03       ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10  8:22       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 2/8] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 3/8] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 4/8] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 5/8] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 17:19     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-08 22:22       ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10  8:22         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 6/8] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 7/8] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 8/8] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:20   ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/8] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-10 15:35 ` [PATCH RFC v4 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-11 21:33     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 21:04     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 21:20     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-15 10:53       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-22 16:24         ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2025-09-23  5:32           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  8:53             ` LTS "lieutenant", was " Johannes Schindelin
2025-09-24 13:47               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 14:31             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-24 12:53               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-24 17:43                 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-10 21:42     ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-15 10:53       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-11 21:55   ` [PATCH RFC v4 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory brian m. carlson
2025-09-15 10:53     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-12 15:45   ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-12 16:32     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-15 10:50       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22 ` [PATCH v5 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-17 22:09     ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-18  1:19       ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-22 19:34         ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-22 20:59           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-22 22:15             ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-22 22:56               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-23  1:59                 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-23  4:54                 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 14:17                   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-23  0:43             ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-19 13:59     ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-22 13:01       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-22 14:07         ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-22 14:38           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 17:12   ` [PATCH v5 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
2025-09-16  2:03   ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-16 10:06     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-17 12:07       ` Sam James
2025-09-17 17:30         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-16 22:25     ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-16 23:38       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-17 18:32         ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-18  3:47   ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-25  1:10   ` what's missing from newer C? [was: [PATCH v5 0/9] Introduce Rust ....] Eric Wong
2025-09-26 22:17     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-04  1:02       ` Eric Wong
2025-10-06  9:13         ` Pierre-Emmanuel Patry
2025-09-19 18:41 ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-09-22 13:01   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45 ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 15:29     ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-23 17:29       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-24  5:03         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 20:15   ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-24  5:02     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-24 14:34       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-25  6:30 ` [PATCH v7 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 21:33     ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-30 13:34     ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-01 17:22       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-02  7:30         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-01 17:21     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-01 19:44       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 16:35   ` [PATCH v7 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
2025-10-01 18:43     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-02  7:29 ` [PATCH v8 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 16:38   ` [PATCH v8 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
2025-10-07  9:59     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 23:35   ` Ezekiel Newren

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