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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] Nominating "whatchanged" for removal
Date: Fri, 02 May 2025 09:46:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqselnufit.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aBSLejDoqomUO3xE@pks.im> (Patrick Steinhardt's message of "Fri, 2 May 2025 11:08:10 +0200")

Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im> writes:

> On Thu, May 01, 2025 at 03:59:56PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:
>> This does not go far enough to touch the "Git 3.0 removal" list in
>> Documentation/BreakingChanges.adoc, but is a preparatory step
>> necessary if we ever wanted to do so in the future.
>
> I'm a little confused. These patches very much feel like starting the
> deprecation process for git-whatchanged(1), so why wouldn't we at the
> same time list it as an upcoming breaking change?

Ah, yes, I was overly eager in the documentation change.

To make an analogy of what happened to pack-redundant, this
corresponds to c3b58472 (pack-redundant: gauge the usage before
proposing its removal, 2020-08-25) plus 4406522b (pack-redundant:
escalate deprecation warning to an error, 2023-03-23) rolled into
one.  We are gauging the impact of the removal by inconveniencing
existing users a big way, with a tiny escape hatch to make them feel
the pain, so that we can hear their scream better.

We are not there yet to announce the decision to deprecate, like
fcf31daa (pack-redundant: document deprecation, 2023-03-28) did, to
those who do not even use the command.  I think it may make sense to
hold that WARNING part of the change, leaving it to a future step
that touches the BreakingChanges document.

> Or is the intent
> rather to figure out whether anybody is still using this command so that
> we can then deprecate it after a couple releases if we haven't heard
> back from anybody?

Yes, exactly.

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-02 16:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-01 21:34 [PATCH 0/2] Nominating "whatchanged" for removal Junio C Hamano
2025-05-01 21:34 ` [PATCH 1/2] you-still-use-that??: help deprecating commands " Junio C Hamano
2025-05-01 21:34 ` [PATCH 2/2] whatchanged: require --i-still-use-this Junio C Hamano
2025-05-01 22:23   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-01 22:59 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Nominating "whatchanged" for removal Junio C Hamano
2025-05-01 22:59   ` [PATCH v2 1/2] you-still-use-that??: help deprecating commands " Junio C Hamano
2025-05-01 22:59   ` [PATCH v2 2/2] whatchanged: require --i-still-use-this Junio C Hamano
2025-05-02  9:08     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-05-02 16:49       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-05  6:10         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-05-02  9:08   ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Nominating "whatchanged" for removal Patrick Steinhardt
2025-05-02 16:46     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2025-05-03  0:58   ` [PATCH v3 0/6] " Junio C Hamano
2025-05-03  0:58     ` [PATCH v3 1/6] you-still-use-that??: help deprecating commands " Junio C Hamano
2025-05-12 17:35       ` Elijah Newren
2025-05-03  0:58     ` [PATCH v3 2/6] doc: prepare for a world without whatchanged Junio C Hamano
2025-05-12 17:36       ` Elijah Newren
2025-05-03  0:58     ` [PATCH v3 3/6] tests: " Junio C Hamano
2025-05-05  6:56       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-05-12 17:36       ` Elijah Newren
2025-05-03  0:58     ` [PATCH v3 4/6] whatchanged: require --i-still-use-this Junio C Hamano
2025-05-05  6:56       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-05-05 20:49         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-03  0:58     ` [PATCH v3 5/6] whatchanged: remove when built with WITH_BREAKING_CHANGES Junio C Hamano
2025-05-05  6:56       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-05-05 20:57         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-03  0:58     ` [PATCH v3 6/6] whatschanged: list it in BreakingChanges document Junio C Hamano
2025-05-12 17:36       ` Elijah Newren
2025-05-12 18:35         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-12 19:03     ` [PATCH v4 0/6] Nominating "whatchanged" for removal Junio C Hamano
2025-05-12 19:03       ` [PATCH v4 1/6] you-still-use-that??: help deprecating commands " Junio C Hamano
2025-05-12 19:03       ` [PATCH v4 2/6] doc: prepare for a world without whatchanged Junio C Hamano
2025-05-12 19:03       ` [PATCH v4 3/6] tests: " Junio C Hamano
2025-05-12 19:03       ` [PATCH v4 4/6] whatchanged: require --i-still-use-this Junio C Hamano
2025-05-14 13:38         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-12 19:03       ` [PATCH v4 5/6] whatchanged: remove when built with WITH_BREAKING_CHANGES Junio C Hamano
2025-05-12 19:03       ` [PATCH v4 6/6] whatschanged: list it in BreakingChanges document Junio C Hamano
2025-05-12 21:21       ` [PATCH v4 0/6] Nominating "whatchanged" for removal Elijah Newren
2025-05-12 22:42         ` Junio C Hamano

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