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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com>
Cc: "Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	"brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "Alejandro R. Sedeño" <asedeno@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/13] Update versions of libcurl and Perl
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 11:35:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqttdicws8.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPig+cRmyZhq1qtomTFP7p7XMqrCP8-u7ah8D2+yUtrL880y7g@mail.gmail.com> (Eric Sunshine's message of "Fri, 11 Oct 2024 14:09:14 -0400")

Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com> writes:

> I may be in the minority here, but I'm fairly negative on this entire
> patch series. As you say, supporting these old versions is effectively
> zero-cost, so how does this project benefit from these changes which
> potentially "break" Git for users on older platforms? I see no upside
> here. The cover letter provides no strong justification for
> (potentially) inconveniencing people; the argument about being able to
> utilize more modern Perl features is weak[1] at best and is not
> convincing.

While I agree with all you said above, one thing I find missing is
that even with #ifdef, we won't be shipping what we tested in real,
as nobody, not just the author that touches the same file with the
#ifdef we added 6 months ago is in, but all other developers who
looked at the change.  It merely is "we have #ifdef here and those
with ancient version of the library shouldn't see this new code",
which certainly is good enough for those of us who consider the
ancient platform support as a "best effort" thing.

But that does not, in my dictionary, quite qualify for the verb
"support".  A variable declared only inside #ifdef may be used
outside it, or a variable declared without initialization outside
that is only assigned inside #ifdef may be used after matching
#endif, which would not be noticed by anybody because nobody among
us would be running such an ancient version without the feature
#ifdef guards.

So I dunno.

Having said all that, I did find it was surprising that we raised to
a merely 6-year old cutoff point.  If it were discarding versions of
libraries that are older than 12 years (instead of 6 years), would
you be having the same reaction?

Thanks.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-11 18:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-10 23:56 [PATCH 00/13] Update versions of libcurl and Perl brian m. carlson
2024-10-10 23:56 ` [PATCH 01/13] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.21.5 brian m. carlson
2024-10-10 23:56 ` [PATCH 02/13] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.25.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-10 23:56 ` [PATCH 03/13] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.34.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-10 23:56 ` [PATCH 04/13] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.39.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-10 23:56 ` [PATCH 05/13] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.43.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-10 23:56 ` [PATCH 06/13] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.44.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-10 23:56 ` [PATCH 07/13] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.52.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-10 23:56 ` [PATCH 08/13] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.53.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-10 23:56 ` [PATCH 09/13] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.56.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-11  6:48   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-10-11  7:33     ` Jeff King
2024-10-11  7:49       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-10-11 16:53         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-10-10 23:56 ` [PATCH 10/13] INSTALL: document requirement for libcurl 7.61.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-10 23:56 ` [PATCH 11/13] Require Perl 5.26.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-10 23:56 ` [PATCH 12/13] INSTALL: require " brian m. carlson
2024-10-11  9:38   ` Oswald Buddenhagen
2024-10-15 22:48     ` brian m. carlson
2024-10-10 23:56 ` [PATCH 13/13] gitweb: make use of s///r brian m. carlson
2024-10-11  7:40 ` [PATCH 00/13] Update versions of libcurl and Perl Jeff King
2024-10-11 16:42   ` Junio C Hamano
2024-10-11 18:09   ` Eric Sunshine
2024-10-11 18:35     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2024-10-11 19:08       ` Alejandro R. Sedeño
2024-10-11 19:22       ` Eric Sunshine
2024-10-11 20:01     ` brian m. carlson
2024-10-15  6:13       ` Eric Sunshine
2024-10-15 19:19         ` Taylor Blau
2024-10-15 23:56           ` [PATCH 00/13] Update versions of libcurl and Perlg brian m. carlson
2024-10-16  2:00             ` Alejandro R. Sedeño
2024-10-22  3:34       ` [PATCH 00/13] Update versions of libcurl and Perl Eli Schwartz
2024-10-22 21:58         ` brian m. carlson
2024-10-11 13:23 ` Alejandro R. Sedeño
2024-10-11 16:48 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-10-14 13:28 ` Alejandro R. Sedeño
2024-10-17  9:16 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-10-23  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 00/12] " brian m. carlson
2024-10-23  0:45   ` [PATCH v2 01/12] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.21.5 brian m. carlson
2024-10-23  0:45   ` [PATCH v2 02/12] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.25.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-23  0:45   ` [PATCH v2 03/12] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.34.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-23  0:45   ` [PATCH v2 04/12] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.39.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-23  0:45   ` [PATCH v2 05/12] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.43.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-23  0:45   ` [PATCH v2 06/12] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.44.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-23  0:45   ` [PATCH v2 07/12] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.52.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-23  0:45   ` [PATCH v2 08/12] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.53.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-23  0:45   ` [PATCH v2 09/12] git-curl-compat: remove check for curl 7.56.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-23  0:45   ` [PATCH v2 10/12] INSTALL: document requirement for libcurl 7.61.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-23  0:45   ` [PATCH v2 11/12] Require Perl 5.26.0 brian m. carlson
2024-10-23  1:15     ` rsbecker
2024-10-23  0:46   ` [PATCH v2 12/12] gitweb: make use of s///r brian m. carlson
2024-10-23 12:34     ` Oswald Buddenhagen
2024-10-24 21:52       ` brian m. carlson
2024-10-23 20:16   ` [PATCH v2 00/12] Update versions of libcurl and Perl Taylor Blau
2024-10-24  6:05     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-10-24 21:53       ` brian m. carlson

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