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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
Cc: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	"SZEDER Gábor" <szeder.dev@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org,
	"Haelwenn (lanodan) Monnier" <contact@hacktivis.me>,
	"Ben Knoble" <ben.knoble@gmail.com>,
	"Christian Brabandt" <cb@256bit.org>,
	"Collin Funk" <collin.funk1@gmail.com>,
	"Eli Schwartz" <eschwartz@gentoo.org>,
	"Elijah Newren" <newren@gmail.com>,
	"Ezekiel Newren" <ezekielnewren@gmail.com>,
	"Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	"Phillip Wood" <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>,
	"Pierre-Emmanuel Patry" <pierre-emmanuel.patry@embecosm.com>,
	"Sam James" <sam@gentoo.org>, "Taylor Blau" <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	"Kristoffer Haugsbakk" <kristofferhaugsbakk@fastmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2025 07:17:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqy0q5p82c.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aNIoFePhTc5vGc_-@pks.im> (Patrick Steinhardt's message of "Tue, 23 Sep 2025 06:54:45 +0200")

Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im> writes:

> We have made other breaking changes conditional on the wider ecosystem.
> For example, using reftable by default is conditioned on the ecosystem
> having catched up and supporting this new format.
>
> Do we maybe want to do the same with Rust? We can for example add
> something like the following paragraph:
>
>     We will carefully evaluate the impact on downstream distributions
>     before making Rust mandatory in Git 3.0. If we see that the impact
>     on downstream distributions would be significant, we may decide to
>     defer this breaking change. This will also take into account our own
>     learnings with how painful it is to keep Rust an optional component.
>
> The intent would be to alert distributors, but not "blindly" pull the
> trigger. Instead, we should take a step back and evaluate both how the
> Rust ecosystem looks like at the Git 3.0 boundary and how painful it is
> for us to keep it as an optional component.

I have always been assuming that we are prepared to change course if
that is necessary and though that something like that goes without
saying, but if you want to add it to the document, I am perfectly
fine.  It should apply not just Rust but all other entries we list.

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-23 14:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 207+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-04 14:26 [PATCH RFC 0/3] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 18:50   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05  7:53     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 22:06   ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-04 22:46     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05  7:49       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05  1:16     ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05  7:50       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 13:20         ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 22:37   ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-05  7:54     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 23:39   ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-05  2:00     ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05  7:54       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 13:39         ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-07 20:07   ` Ben Knoble
2025-09-08  4:39     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08 11:39       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09  0:49       ` Ben Knoble
2025-09-09 15:27         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:44     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 17:38   ` Eric Sunshine
2025-09-05  7:54     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/7] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50   ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/7] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 17:47     ` Justin Tobler
2025-09-08  6:42       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:54     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:42       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50   ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/7] Makefile: introduce " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 20:21     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-08  6:40       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:58     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:41       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07 15:26     ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-08  6:41       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50   ` [PATCH RFC v2 3/7] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 19:51     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-07  5:00       ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 4/7] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 21:46     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05 22:39       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05 23:04         ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 5/7] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 12:45     ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-09-05 13:38       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:38         ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-08  6:42           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  5:31         ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:42           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:22       ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 14:32       ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05 19:34         ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-07  5:25     ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 6/7] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  0:21     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:41       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:51   ` [PATCH RFC v2 7/7] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 19:56     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-08  6:40       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 21:00     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08  6:40       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:14   ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/7] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 14:28     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07  4:31       ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08  6:44         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 23:00           ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10  8:21             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09  6:33           ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-10  8:21             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09  9:12       ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-10  8:21         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10  9:32           ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-10 10:49             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/8] " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 1/8] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 22:09     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-09  1:03       ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10  8:22       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 2/8] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 3/8] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 4/8] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 5/8] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 17:19     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-08 22:22       ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10  8:22         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 6/8] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 7/8] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13   ` [PATCH RFC v3 8/8] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:20   ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/8] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-10 15:35 ` [PATCH RFC v4 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-11 21:33     ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 21:04     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 21:20     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-15 10:53       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-22 16:24         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-23  5:32           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  8:53             ` LTS "lieutenant", was " Johannes Schindelin
2025-09-24 13:47               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 14:31             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-24 12:53               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-24 17:43                 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-10 21:42     ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-15 10:53       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35   ` [PATCH RFC v4 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-11 21:55   ` [PATCH RFC v4 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory brian m. carlson
2025-09-15 10:53     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-12 15:45   ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-12 16:32     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-15 10:50       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22 ` [PATCH v5 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-17 22:09     ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-18  1:19       ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-22 19:34         ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-22 20:59           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-22 22:15             ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-22 22:56               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-23  1:59                 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-23  4:54                 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 14:17                   ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2025-09-23  0:43             ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-19 13:59     ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-22 13:01       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-22 14:07         ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-22 14:38           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22   ` [PATCH v5 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 17:12   ` [PATCH v5 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
2025-09-16  2:03   ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-16 10:06     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-17 12:07       ` Sam James
2025-09-17 17:30         ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-16 22:25     ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-16 23:38       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-17 18:32         ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-18  3:47   ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-25  1:10   ` what's missing from newer C? [was: [PATCH v5 0/9] Introduce Rust ....] Eric Wong
2025-09-26 22:17     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-04  1:02       ` Eric Wong
2025-10-06  9:13         ` Pierre-Emmanuel Patry
2025-09-19 18:41 ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-09-22 13:01   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45 ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 15:29     ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-23 17:29       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-24  5:03         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 20:15   ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-24  5:02     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-24 14:34       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-25  6:30 ` [PATCH v7 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 21:33     ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-30 13:34     ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-01 17:22       ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-02  7:30         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-01 17:21     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-01 19:44       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25  6:30   ` [PATCH v7 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 16:35   ` [PATCH v7 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
2025-10-01 18:43     ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-02  7:29 ` [PATCH v8 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02  7:29   ` [PATCH v8 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 16:38   ` [PATCH v8 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
2025-10-07  9:59     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 23:35   ` Ezekiel Newren

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